Even more trouble in London

**Shahed** · 07-23-2005, 03:35

Simon, I realised that statement would be inaccurate, and I had already edited it in the time you were writing your reply.

**econ21** · 07-23-2005, 18:13

No problem, Sinan. I hope my post was not too gung-ho in response. Apparently, the police have now said the man was unconnected with the bombings, making the whole thing a tragedy.

**Shahed** · 07-23-2005, 20:44

NP Simon. Your pst was great, well written and well constructed, lot of sense there. No offence at all.

So we were right in challenging authority and asking questions.
Please have a look at the following link:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4711021.stm

**caravel** · 07-23-2005, 23:16

A police force that cannot tell the difference between an asian and a south american... He was "brown" and running away from the police, so that obviously was enough of a reason to shoot? He may have been an illegal immigrant fearful of deportation, or his understanding of english may not have been good. There are any number of reasons. The police were in plain clothes, so it is highly likely that the man may not have known that they were police at all. It was commented that he was wearing a heavy coat in "summer". To a Brazilian an english summer is not a summer.

If this execution style killing had happened in Iraq or any of the "axis of evil" countries, the British Goverment would have totally condemned it. A totally transparent investigation is needed.

Those that see this killing as justified, making use of a "just in case" logic are actually bordering on the realms of the undemocratic.

**Marcellus** · 07-23-2005, 23:19

Originally Posted by Beorhtwulf

A totally transparent investigation is needed.

Well, whenever the police kill somebody the case is automatically referred to the independent police complaints commission, so there will be a independent investigation.

**Slyspy** · 07-24-2005, 02:16

Originally Posted by Beorhtwulf

A police force that cannot tell the difference between an asian and a south american... He was "brown" and running away from the police, so that obviously was enough of a reason to shoot? He may have been an illegal immigrant fearful of deportation, or his understanding of english may not have been good. There are any number of reasons. The police were in plain clothes, so it is highly likely that the man may not have known that they were police at all. It was commented that he was wearing a heavy coat in "summer". To a Brazilian an english summer is not a summer.

If this execution style killing had happened in Iraq or any of the "axis of evil" countries, the British Goverment would have totally condemned it. A totally transparent investigation is needed.

Those that see this killing as justified, making use of a "just in case" logic are actually bordering on the realms of the undemocratic.

His ethnic background doesn't matter. As it was the guy was Brazilian. Would it been better if he was Asian? Would it have been ok then? Think about what you have just said. Also contemplate this: one of the bombers on the seventh was of West Indian extraction.

**caravel** · 07-24-2005, 19:49

Originally Posted by Slyspy

His ethnic background doesn't matter. As it was the guy was Brazilian. Would it been better if he was Asian? Would it have been ok then? Think about what you have just said. Also contemplate this: one of the bombers on the seventh was of West Indian extraction.

It would not have been better of course. You're merely twisting my words. The fact is that this man was named as unconnected with the bombings in London. My exact point is that people may now be targeted because they are non white and running from police. This is not a good situation.

I'm thinking about what I have just said, the question is: are you?

**Brutus** · 07-24-2005, 20:13

As I heard he was followed by three policemen dressed as civilians, who then wanted to stop him. I would run if three total strangers in normal clothes tried to stop me in the subway. I think this is very serious indeed and gives policemen (who are only people) a license to shoot anyone whom they think looks funny. Of course something needs to be done and a suicidebomber can't be stopped by telling him politely to lay down the bomb, but this does not seem the right way to go to me.

**Slyspy** · 07-24-2005, 22:17

Originally Posted by Beorhtwulf

It would not have been better of course. You're merely twisting my words. The fact is that this man was named as unconnected with the bombings in London. My exact point is that people may now be targeted because they are non white and running from police. This is not a good situation.

I'm thinking about what I have just said, the question is: are you?

Then choose your words more carefully. However, now you have explained more clearly I quite agree with you about the dangerous precedent which this incident may provide.