New unit at the com: Roman Comitatenes !!

[King of Atlantis]

That sums up my feelings about that skin.

your kidding right. You can not possibly like Ca's units better than this. This is prometheus's equites(sp?). I find it very hard to believe you like CA's better than this.

People have every right to complain about bad units. When a company insults it's main fan base, it has to expect negative response.

Were not its main base, just it's hard-core fans. Unfortunatley by going mainstream they make much more money.

I guess the reason that the unit doesnt look good is they probably didnt look that good in real life, though im sure prometheus could work some of his magic on them.

Prom, looks like I did you some good advertising!

except of course the people who like CA's stuff better.

[lars573]

The ironic thing aobut lar's post is that thumbs down actually meant drop your weapon and let the other guy live in the Colloseum. Thumb point at chest ment kill the other guy.

In simple: When you a gladiator thumbs down = good, thumbs up/sideways = bad.

*Kerspam!*

No what's ironic in that trying to prove me wrong you made yourself look the fool. I've learned from latin/Roman experts that it's,

When your a gladiator thumb down= bad (loser gets the *point* )

thumb covered by fingers = good (loser lives)


The tumbs down for killing the losers (accompanied by a downward thrust of the forearm) came about as it mimics the killing blow with a gladius or dagger. Thumbs covered for sparing his life came about as to represent sheathing your weapon.

your kidding right. You can not possibly like Ca's units better than this. This is prometheus's equites(sp?). I find it very hard to believe you like CA's better than this.

That skin is just shinier than a CA one. I can't believe you think it's better.

[King of Atlantis]

Just shinier! You realize it is representing the true effect of sunlight reflecting off the armor.

*also the armor is much more complex than any Ca unit.

*If you look this unit actually has a saddle where Ca just provides a faction colored cloth.

*Clothing very detailed.

*he went into every detail possible

*Knowing prom it has been researched thoruoghly

Again it is your opinion, but you really must not like details.

[lars573]

Just shinier! You realize it is representing the true effect of sunlight reflecting off the armor.

And it makes no difference it's not better than the CA skin

[QUOTE=King of Atlantis]*also the armor is much more complex than any Ca unit.

*If you look this unit actually has a saddle where Ca just provides a faction colored cloth.

Superfluous.

*Clothing very detailed.

*yawn*

*he went into every detail possible

And he didn't need to.

*Knowing prom it has been researched thoruoghly

And it's his interpretation, making it no better than CA's.

Again it is your opinion, but you really must not like details.

Details are relative.

[King of Atlantis]

So basically look doesnt matter to you.

Though im to lazy to post a Ca equite, im sure anybody who has played the game can tell the numerous improvement this unit makes.

Here's another one from resgestae by prometheus.



Compare that to the Barb without a shirt. Looks better, much more accurate.

And it's his interpretation, making no better than CA's.

actually using historic data to make a unit as accurate as possible is much better than what Ca does.

[Emit_Flesti]

KoA, where can I find that skin and how may I use it? Those look great!

[CMcMahon]

Jesus Christ, King of Atlanta. Why can't you ever have an open mind? CA makes a decent, accurate unit and you just sit in the corner saying that nothing CA can make will ever be accurate. And why do you people have to bring EB into every topic about BI?

I find it highly ironic that KOA, the insanely anal realism guy when it comes to CA, is working on a mod (more like a "please let us join your mod" group) about Atlantis rising again to take on the powers at be i the RTW time setting.

edit: I fully expect a "omg don't talk smack because you don't make your own mod so you don't know how hard it is" type reply, but whatever. I work seven days a week, eight hours a day, and have more important things in my life than worrying, fretting, and moaning about than how realistic or unrealistic a specific unit is (much less looks) in a computer game that, honestly, isn't all that bad, even though it does have plenty of flaws.

[SMZ]

Although I haven't agreed with KOA on much, I don't see how anyone can claim those screenshots aren't pretty. Whether they're better than CA's work is irrevelant - that's some nice artwork.

[CMcMahon]

Yes, that's true. But, seeing as how everyone else has failed to note this, what game with mods doesn't have custom skins that look better than that in the vanilla variety? SimCity 4, Counter-Strike (*sigh*), Tribes 2, Far Cry, etc, etc all have custom skins and models that easily outdo anything made by the developers. So, logically, it makes perfect sense for the same to apply to RTW.

[King of Atlantis]

I find it highly ironic that KOA, the insanely anal realism guy when it comes to CA, is working on a mod (more like a "please let us join your mod" group) about Atlantis rising again to take on the powers at be i the RTW time setting.

Actually our mod is an invasion mod for vanilla though it would be nice if we could be an invasion mod for a mod like troy. I am a lover of Fantasy. Lord of the rings is might favorite book. But, i am also a fan of realism. I dont however like it when something is played as historical, but is infact fantasy.

insanely anal realism guy

The only time i have complained about realism is the priest on the battlefield. I wasnt really moaning, but more trying to explain to people how unrealistic they are and just about anyone who really cares about historic accuracy was on my side.

So lets review your post, you took cheap shots at me and a mod that I am a subleader of. Your reasons are i complained that warrior priest are unrealistic and that i didnt like the looks of this unit.

and the omg isnt you dont work hard so dont talk smack its why the hell are you talking smack. Cause i didnt like the look of the unit this thread is about and stated my opinion. Im sorry but you seem very anal.

[King of Atlantis]

Yes, that's true. But, seeing as how everyone else has failed to note this, what game with mods doesn't have custom skins that look better than that in the vanilla variety? SimCity 4, Counter-Strike (*sigh*), Tribes 2, Far Cry, etc, etc all have custom skins and models that easily outdo anything made by the developers. So, logically, it makes perfect sense for the same to apply to RTW.

okay so you agree with me. The mod skins look better than the original. That claim is what has gotten me attacked in this thread by you and many others.

[CMcMahon]

But my point is that it's that way for most every game out there. It's not like CA is the only company that's releasing a game where modders, skinners, and whatnot have outdone the original skins and models.

[King of Atlantis]

And i agree on that point. That doesnt change what i said. The new units dont look as good as the mods. Appearantly something like that gets me two pages of flaming.

[Duke John]

Not all of us are interested in what EB or other mods are doing, so it does become repetitive and boring to see constant referals to these mods. Those mods have subforums for a reason, let's keep most of the discussions where they belong.

And I don't think posting pics of other mods to prove a point is not very usefull as it always come down to a matter of taste and one's taste is not superior to that of another.

[King of Atlantis]

I only broought up Eb cause i was attacked for not liking a unit's looks, so i said what looks good to me. I didnt say by the way EB units are so much better, haha CA. I oly refered to Ca after an attack cause of an opinion.

Your right Duke John everyone has their own opnion and i have said that many times. Thats what a message board is for, to voice your opinions.

I dont know how many times im going to have to explain this in this thread.


I think the morale of the story is this, if you have an opinion and want to post it make sure you dont do it in the Colosseum.


I(and others) dont like how the new units looks
other people do.
Both opinions are good and both sides are allowed to have them..

I have kept this story since the begging and had to repost it in deffernt ways many times. I just posted prom's units cause it was said mods dont look profesional. Wether you like the looks or not you have to admit they look profesional.

[Duke John]

Wether you like the looks or not you have to admit they look profesional.

No, I don't need to. CA's skins while not to my taste do look professional; they are clean and do not have (many) irregularities caused by not properly adjusting the UV coordinates or non-sensical surfaces showed by many mod (as in the screenshots of Resgestae).

When you say: "You have to admit..." you are enforcing your opinion and that attitude is what probably caused your posts to be attacked.

[TB666]

*If you look this unit actually has a saddle where Ca just provides a faction colored cloth.

And to my knowledge saddles didn't exist at this time so this is a fantasy unit.

[Marcellus]

And to my knowledge saddles didn't exist at this time so this is a fantasy unit.

They had saddles at this time. They didn't have stirrups, perhaps that's what you're thinking of.

[King of Atlantis]

They had saddles at this time. They didn't have stirrups, perhaps that's what you're thinking of.

exactly.

[TB666]

They had saddles at this time. They didn't have stirrups, perhaps that's what you're thinking of.

No, according to what I know the first saddle didn't exist until 365(+-5 years) AD in Sarmatia.

[Marcellus]

No, according to what I know the first saddle didn't exist until 365(+-5 years) AD in Sarmatia.

Interesting. having searched around the internet for a while, I found several sites saying that the Sarmatians invented the saddle in AD365. However, I also found sites that showed that the Romans had saddles for their cavalry. It seems that the Sarmatians invented the saddle we know today, but that the Romans did have saddles before this. They just weren't as advanced as the saddles we have now. They had four 'horns' on them to stop the rider falling off:

[TB666]

Source please ??
Gotta remember that one of the reason that historians bash "the gladiator" is because they are using saddles.

[Marcellus]

Source please ??
Gotta remember that one of the reason that historians bash "the gladiator" is because they are using saddles.

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Stage/3591/army.html

Roman cavalry of the early and middle Empire was organized in alae, units of 500 to 1,000 men divided into squadrons, or turmae, of 30 or 40 horsemen under the command of decurions. We know that the Romans used a kind of saddle, with four saddle horns for anchoring baggage, but they had no knowledge of stirrups, although they did use spurs

http://www.caerleon.net/history/army/page7.html#saddle

scroll down to the 'cavalry' bit

http://www.scran.ac.uk/packs/exhibit...s/56/Auxil.htm

Archaeological discoveries, however, have revealed that the Roman saddle was designed with projecting horns to keep the rider firmly in place, rather like the cowboy saddle of more recent times.

http://www.legiiavg.org.uk/articles/..._wholedoc.html

The all-important saddle had no stirrups. These were replaced by the use of 4 horns on the saddle itself, which offered a great sense of security, as the horseman could not fall out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavalry

The decline of the Roman infrastructure made it successively more difficult to field large infantry forces, and during the second and third centuries cavalry began to take a more dominant role on the battlefield, also in part made possible by the appearance of new, larger breeds of horses. The replacement of the insubstantial Roman saddle by variants on the Scythian model, with pommel and cantle, was significant too.

p.s. it's 'Gladiator', not 'the Gladiator'. Maybe they were using the wrong kind of saddle?

[TB666]

I stand corrected then
However the cavalry in the pic is still fantasy tho since it is the wrong saddle

[Mongoose]

Um, no. That unit is NOT fantasy in anyway.

[TB666]

Um, no. That unit is NOT fantasy in anyway.

According to your and many others mentality it is.
They didn't use that saddle during this period of RTW so it is obviously a fantasy unit.

[Mongoose]

Yes, they did...


Prove that they didn't use the saddle

[TB666]

See the previous post.

[King of Atlantis]

That saddle may not be 100% accurate, but im sure prometheus has researched this much more than us.

I don't get want your point is. We complain that a ahistorical unit is ahistorical and you try to get back by saying that the saddle may or may not be hisrotical. In truth it is probably hard to say what the romans had. Sometimes skinners have to just do guess work as this was a very long time ago. I would not complain to Ca for doing their best to make a histoical based impression.

There new units seems to have been done this way, which actually may be the reason why it doesnt look good to me.

[cunctator]

This saddle is 100% accurate for a 1st century ad unit like Prometheus equites singulares. The RES GESTAE mod ends 69ad.
The four horned saddle apaered in sculptural and aercheological evidence around the very late 1st century BC/ early 1st century ad. This kind of saddle is not realy inferior to modern ones, it was just designed for another purpose.
I can post pictures of roman monuments showing this kind of saddle tomorrow if you are not convinced.