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    Default Re: New unit at the com: Roman Comitatenes !!

    That saddle may not be 100% accurate, but im sure prometheus has researched this much more than us.

    I don't get want your point is. We complain that a ahistorical unit is ahistorical and you try to get back by saying that the saddle may or may not be hisrotical. In truth it is probably hard to say what the romans had. Sometimes skinners have to just do guess work as this was a very long time ago. I would not complain to Ca for doing their best to make a histoical based impression.

    There new units seems to have been done this way, which actually may be the reason why it doesnt look good to me.

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    This saddle is 100% accurate for a 1st century ad unit like Prometheus equites singulares. The RES GESTAE mod ends 69ad.
    The four horned saddle apaered in sculptural and aercheological evidence around the very late 1st century BC/ early 1st century ad. This kind of saddle is not realy inferior to modern ones, it was just designed for another purpose.
    I can post pictures of roman monuments showing this kind of saddle tomorrow if you are not convinced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by King of Atlantis
    That saddle may not be 100% accurate, but im sure prometheus has researched this much more than us.

    I don't get want your point is. We complain that a ahistorical unit is ahistorical and you try to get back by saying that the saddle may or may not be hisrotical. In truth it is probably hard to say what the romans had. Sometimes skinners have to just do guess work as this was a very long time ago.
    I believe his point is that it's rather ironic that you, as a staunch supporter of historical accuracy, point everyone towards a skin that is (possibly) not in fact 100% historically accurate.

    As a side note, I don't think it's really worthwhile to be arguing over the looks of a unit. Units etc can be modded in or out. The real thing that will make or break BI for people here is the AI. I don't care if CA gives us Armored Bicycle Knights; as long they've greatly improved the AI then it will be bought if only to mod. (And I'm sure the armored bicycle knights will be the first to be removed)
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    Default Re: New unit at the com: Roman Comitatenes !!

    Quote Originally Posted by BobTheTerrible
    I believe his point is that it's rather ironic that you, as a staunch supporter of historical accuracy, point everyone towards a skin that is (possibly) not in fact 100% historically accurate.
    actually the "looks" of units is always debatable. Thus i never judge Ca for being inaccurate by its skins. It't the units themselves that i care about.

    And if you look at the post above you will see that this unit is probably accurate. Again, i dont really know enough about roman saddles to know, but as I said the skins are always the artist impression and they cant possibly be 100% accurate, though these are possibly very accurate, as their maker Prometheus knows what he is doing.

    I believ it is rather ironic that people know more about me than i do. Did i every complain about a units skin saying its not accurate? I think not.

    Bob,

    the ai is more important and really ahistorical units dont bother me that much. People trying to argue the priest fighting is realistic does bother me. But then again thats not even what this thread is about though most people seem to be trying to get revenge for that thread here.

    I still have seen very few people post their opnions about this unit, as it seems most people find it funner to flame me or assume things that i never said.
    Last edited by King of Atlantis; 07-24-2005 at 18:37.

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    Quote Originally Posted by King of Atlantis
    I still have seen very few people post their opnions about this unit, as it seems most people find it funner to flame me or assume things that i never said.
    You're right, this thread does seem to have gone a bit off-topic (and I suppose I am partly responsible for that, so sorry). If you got the impression that I was one of those trying to flame you then I apologise, it certainly wasn't my intention.

    So back to the Roman Comitatenes (which is what this thread is about, after all).

    I quite like the skin. It's not as nice as say, the Roman legionaries but it's still pretty good.
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    Default Re: New unit at the com: Roman Comitatenes !!

    Marcellus you certainly werent flamming me as most of your post seemed to be agreeing with me and dont worry about you taking this thread off topic. Ever since the first page people have been more intent on attacking my opinion than giving their own. I would be pleased if this stopped and am happy to go on with the thread.



    Im guessing this unit is supposed to look "barbarian" as that is what was happening to the roman army.

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    As far as I can see, the saddles in this screenshot match the saddles that the Romans used:



    There are no stirrups and the saddle has two large 'horns' pointing sideways from the front of the saddle to hold the rider in place.

    The unit appears to be historically accurate, although Bob has a point when he says that the AI will probably be more important to most people than whether a unit is 100% historically accurate (although I do support historical accuracy wherever possible).
    "Look I’ve got my old pledge card a bit battered and crumpled we said we’d provide more turches churches teachers and we have I can remember when people used to say the Japanese are better than us the Germans are better than us the French are better than us well it’s great to be able to say we’re better than them I think Mr Kennedy well we all congratulate on his baby and the Tories are you remembering what I’m remembering boom and bust negative equity remember Mr Howard I mean are you thinking what I’m thinking I’m remembering it’s all a bit wonky isn’t it?"

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