Death and Heaven

[King of Atlantis]

Ok, so do you believe in leprechauns or not? If not, then where's your proof?

No beacause.
-there is no evidence of their habitat
-no evelution link to them
-they have left no mark

But the entire universe is physical. It follows the laws of physics. There's no laws of metaphysics. How does a purportedly metaphysical 'god' communicate with billions of believers who are physical....?

The entire physical world is physical.

If a 'god' wants to move a physical ball. He needs to use physical means or force. The same way with you, because you are physical.

God is in everything, thus he could move part of himself easy.

Lastly, define metaphysics as best as you can.

i admit im probably not the best source of metaphysics

See, right there you assumed it is a 'god'. AND you called god, "he". So god has a sex now, or is it that humans patterned the image of god from himself....? That tells me a lot!!

Im christian so i am going to call god God. That is what i believe in. As for calling God he. In english male is the nuetral gender. We are mankind, if the was a group of guys and girls i could say hey guys. God doesnt have gendar, but it doesnt feel right to call god it, therefore "he" works best.

If you remove your brain, you won't have 'free will' at all. Again, this an assumption of a 'god'.

I dont see your logic. If i removed m brain i would die. That doesnt change the fact that God lets us make our own desecions, free will.

What's your take on Evolution? Is it random? (Yes, it is random). You can't plan something random. That's like saying, Lottery numbers are planned.

Lets assume God is real here, dont you think the creater of the universe could set up evolution as he pleased

You saying "god given us", meant he planned us all along. There's no plan at all.

Well, where did you find the answers if you have no proof?

I didnt come up with any answers, i just gave you a list of reason why you cant find proof/un-proof.

Where did the 'builder' come from? Another builder? Where did that another builder come from?

If god is omnipotent, then god's builder must be more omnipotent? So on and so forth?

Your best defense is how was god created. I could reflect this back at you and say how was the universe created out of nothing. There is no answer how something came out of nothing.

[Quietus]

No beacause.
-there is no evidence of their habitat

No physical proof then.

-no evelution link to them.

As a believer in the metaphysical, you didn't factor in metaphysical origin. You, friend, are biased against Leprechauns

-they have left no mark

No physical proof again.

These arguments sound very familiar....

The entire physical world is physical.

Yes. Then, how do metaphysical beings make contact with physical beings like us?

God is in everything, thus he could move part of himself easy.

Then god is physical and we should be able to see him. According to you we can't.

i admit im probably not the best source of metaphysics

No problem.

Im christian so i am going to call god God. That is what i believe in. As for calling God he. In english male is the nuetral gender. We are mankind, if the was a group of guys and girls i could say hey guys. God doesnt have gendar, but it doesnt feel right to call god it, therefore "he" works best.

I'd still say that expression is an artifact of man patterning god to himself .

I dont see your logic. If i removed m brain i would die. That doesnt change the fact that God lets us make our own desecions, free will.

Breathing is free will? Eating is free will? Do you have a choice in terms of breathing and eating among many other things?

You just assume it is god, but evidence suggests it is not. Because Evolution is random. Now, if it is not random, I'd see an intention/design (from a higher being).

I'll type randomly:

hiuweoiesdffasdfoereuglklnvaelwe (what am I trying to say?).

I'll type with intent/design:

Bob Marley will always be the best musical force ever on Earth. (what am I trying to say?)

The grammar, punctuation, capitalization and spelling are all correct on the latter. That's 'intelligent design'.

Lets assume God is real here, dont you think the creater of the universe could set up evolution as he pleased

Evolution is random, how do you set that up?

Also, if god is real and omnipotent, I'd argue
- Spontaneous Creation not billions of years of random evolution.
- How many planets are there in our solar system? How many 'lifeforms'? Do each planets harbor the same condition as the other?

Your best defense is how was god created. I could reflect this back at you and say how was the universe created out of nothing. There is no answer how something came out of nothing.

I'd say nobody knows for sure. That's why assumption is an assumption. And god is a huge assumption.

[King of Atlantis]

No physical proof then.

As a believer in the metaphysical, you didn't factor in metaphysical origin. You, friend, are biased against Leprechauns

No physical proof again.

These arguments sound very familiar....

The whole concept of leprechans is not metaphysical. If you wanted claim there were metaphysical leprecahns then there is no way i could possibly prove it wrong or right.

Yes. Then, how do metaphysical beings make contact with physical beings like us?

Then god is physical and we should be able to see him. According to you we can't.

God is in everything, thus you do see him. Looking at a tree you are seing god, looking in the air you are seing god, but you want to see some mystic figure which isnt there.

I'd still say that expression is an artifact of man patterning god to himself .

When i imagine god i admit i see an old man with a great beard. That is a picture society has imprinted into my brain and it cant be helped, but that doesnt mean thats what i think God is. I believe God is in everything, being everywhere at once thus what his true image is is unimaginable to me.

Breathing is free will? Eating is free will? Do you have a choice in terms of breathing and eating among many other things?

No but i have a chioce in what i eat for dinner. God gives us that choice.

You just assume it is god, but evidence suggests it is not. Because Evolution is random. Now, if it is not random, I'd see an intention/design (from a higher being).

Lets assume evolution wasnt random, what would you see differnet. Scientific evidence doesnt go against god. Obviousl God created a universe were there is a system to everything. Laws that all things are bound to. Religion doesn't deny this.

I'll type randomly:

Evolution is random, how do you set that up?

If you believed that God was all powerful, the creator of everything, surely he could set it up.

Also, if god is real and omnipotent, I'd argue
- Spontaneous Creation not billions of years of random evolution.

Again God has made a universe of laws and systems, spontaneous creation wouldnt make sense.

- How many planets are there in our solar system? How many 'lifeforms'? Do each planets harbor the same condition as the other?

How many planets, some would argue this, but the standard number is 9. One of them has life at the moment, but Mars might have had life at some point.

I'd say nobody knows for sure. That's why assumption is an assumption. And god is a huge assumption.

I assume there is a creator to the creation
you assume there is none

We both make assumtions.

You seem so driven to find proof that God exist, but what kind of proof would you want to find and further more God why would God give you such evidence, then we would all be faithful, but we wouldn't have any faith.

[Quietus]

The whole concept of leprechans is not metaphysical. If you wanted claim there were metaphysical leprecahns then there is no way i could possibly prove it wrong or right.

First of all, I don't believe in the metaphysics. Secondly, you believe in metaphysics, but you are excluding metaphysics outright.

I don't believe in Leprechauns because there's no physical proof they exist. Same with god or unicorns.

God is in everything, thus you do see him. Looking at a tree you are seing god, looking in the air you are seing god, but you want to see some mystic figure which isnt there.

Where did the text from the Bible come from? The Koran? What's god's language?

When i imagine god i admit i see an old man with a great beard. That is a picture society has imprinted into my brain and it cant be helped, but that doesnt mean thats what i think God is.

So God didn't make man in his own likeness?

I believe God is in everything, being everywhere at once thus what his true image is is unimaginable to me.

How do you figure god is everything and everywhere?

No but i have a chioce in what i eat for dinner. God gives us that choice.

Is wood a choice of dinner? Do you eat wood?

We did not evolve to eat wood. Choice is an illusion because you are limited to eating what you evolve to eat. For example fruit.

We evolved to eat fruits due to our special relationship with plants. We eat the fruit and we disperse the inedible seed. You get the energy from the fruit, the nonmotile plant gets the means to disperse the seed.

There's no choice. Evolution is random. Our relationship with trees and fruit is random.

Lets assume evolution wasnt random, what would you see differnet. Scientific evidence doesnt go against god. Obviousl God created a universe were there is a system to everything. Laws that all things are bound to. Religion doesn't deny this.

If it isn't random, there there would be inherent order. And we'd know where evolution is headed.

If you believed that God was all powerful, the creator of everything, surely he could set it up.

If god set it up, then evolution wouldn't be random.

Again God has made a universe of laws and systems, spontaneous creation wouldnt make sense.

Circular logic there. Also, you seem to be saying our random existence is god's plan.

How many planets, some would argue this, but the standard number is 9. One of them has life at the moment, but Mars might have had life at some point.

So one out of 9 is intent? And each planets have different physical conditions. Sounds very random to me.

I assume there is a creator to the creation
you assume there is none

We both make assumtions.

There is no proof of god and science does not support it either.

You seem so driven to find proof that God exist, but what kind of proof would you want to find

I want physical proof because there is none.

and further more God why would God give you such evidence, then we would all be faithful, but we wouldn't have any faith.

You just said 'a tree' is god....

[King of Atlantis]

I said god is everywhere. Wouldn't it stand to reason that if God made the universe out of nothing it would be a part of him and he would be a part of it. Thus all creation is in his likeness.

Physical proof, give me an example of want you want to find. Imagine that you do bellieve in God/gods. I believe you couldnt thik of any evidence to find.

And we do have freedom to eat what we want. Like right now i could eat a pizza, a hotdog, etc... I could even go eat my dog. Thats free will.

Science isnt at odds with religion as science can never be used to prove or disprove a religion.

[Quietus]

I said god is everywhere. Wouldn't it stand to reason that if God made the universe out of nothing it would be a part of him and he would be a part of it. Thus all creation is in his likeness.

You have no basis for this though. How can you be sure the tree is not a leprechaun in disguise?

Physical proof, give me an example of want you want to find. Imagine that you do bellieve in God/gods. I believe you couldnt thik of any evidence to find.

That's why you can't differentiate Leprechauns from a god or any other mythic creatures.

And we do have freedom to eat what we want. Like right now i could eat a pizza, a hotdog, etc... I could even go eat my dog. Thats free will.

You are only free to eat what you body evolved to digest, that's it. You're not free to eat your toothbrush, your spoon, your shoes or your pillows.

Science isnt at odds with religion as science can never be used to prove or disprove a religion.

Your body uses the same physical world to gather physical information as science does. If you or anybody can claim access to a god then science should have the same access. Therein lies the contradiction and discrepancy.

[Papewaio]

Loss of information ie 'soul' should result in a loss of energy. So human bodies should cool down faster as they lose the soul... no extra heat loss then no soul.

[King of Atlantis]

You have no basis for this though. How can you be sure the tree is not a leprechaun in disguise?

My basis is my belief and also logic. If there is a creator of the universe he would be all powerful.

That's why you can't differentiate Leprechauns from a god or any other mythic creatures.

You avoid the question. What proof do you want to see.

You are only free to eat what you body evolved to digest, that's it. You're not free to eat your toothbrush, your spoon, your shoes or your pillows.

actuall i could eat my toothbrush,spoon, shoes, or pillow though it might hurt me a bit. I dont think you realize what free will means.

Your body uses the same physical world to gather physical information as science does. If you or anybody can claim access to a god then science should have the same access. Therein lies the contradiction and discrepancy.

God could give you all the evidnece in the world that he exist, but then we wouldn't believe in him, we would be a mass a faithful while having no true faith.