It's back to MTW for me

[Gaius Magnus]

True, but I dont think i have ever been ambushed. I usually just end up sieging.

Well that sucks. It's quite fun! Especially when you don't have nearly as many troops compared to the other faction.

Also it takes days to get an arm across the map when i could do it in one move in medieval

I guess this just comes down to personal preference. To me, it is much more realistic to have to march your armies around a terrain than simply drop them in the next province like a checkerboard. It is also much more realistic to me that an enemy army can be camped out on your province and adversely affect your economy and crop production without being in a battle with your army the moment they step foot across the border. In the same way, it is much more realistic to me that a diplomat, spy, or assasin doesn't have immediate access to everyone in the same province.

Diplomacy in rtw is worse i believe. Though it has a nice new system, the AI could care less about an allaince etc. I rarely see them follow there diplomacy at all.

What is worse, the bugs you mean? In MTW all you could do was:

1) Ask to marry the daughter of another King or offer your daughter for marriage
2) Propose an alliance or ceasefire
3) Secure Trade Rights


In RTW, the only major difference is that you can't request to marry the daughter of another faction leader. There's even something extra, which is requesting or offering a Protectorate. Yes, there are bugs with the Protectorate system, but there are real advantages to having and becoming one.

You can request that another empire attack a rival for/with you. You can negotiate over Map Information, which is pretty cool. You can also give and demand regions.

IMHO, the diplomacy in RTW is way better than in MTW, even with bugs.

I'd have to disagree. I got immersed into Medieval off and on for years. RTW hardly lasted a few months.

I did too, but to me, MTW just doesn't have that same immersive feel since I've played RTW. There is so much more interaction in RTW that it is hard for me to get into MTW like I used to.

In the end it comes down to personal preference, but it is still fun to discuss.