"We'll Stay Multiculturally Correct - Even if it Kills Us"

**Papewaio** · 07-25-2005, 08:53

Notice I didn't say "Islamisists". Or "Islmaofascists". Or "fundamentalist extremists." I've tried out such terms in the past, but I've come to find them artificial and confusing, and maybe purposefully so, because in their imprecision I think they allow us to give a wide berth to a great problem: the gross incompatibility of Islam - the religious force that shrinks freedom even as it "moderately" enables or "extremistly" advances jihad - with the West.

Last time I looked one of the largest emerging democracies in South East Asia was Muslim as its neighbouring country... a total of almost 300 million people or a third of Muslims outright. I also note that Turkey is a Muslim democracy.

So Islam isn't anti-democracy. What is anti-democracy is fundamentalists of all relgions.

Also Pakistan is returning to democracy to the point that it is back into the Commonwealth of Nations.

I would name the terrorists as Muslims just like I name the IRA Catholics. I however do not same that Catholics are anti-democracy even thought the schism that lead to the reformation could be said to have lead to more democracy in the reformed countries...
Nor do I say that all Christians are cross burning murders based on the KKK.

Paint with too broad a brush and you can paint a barn not a picture.

**PanzerJaeger** · 07-25-2005, 09:03

So Islam isn't anti-democracy. What is anti-democracy is fundamentalists of all relgions.

Relativity has become a knee-jerk reaction.

If we dont stop trying to find bad people of an equivolent nature in our own society and actually address the main cause of islamic terrorism, then the rising body count will be no one's fault but our own.

**Papewaio** · 07-25-2005, 09:12

If you keep blaming an entire religion you will not find the answer.

Look at post WWI Germany, the economy, the depression, the need to blame another group. The Nazis feed on the hopes and aspirations of the people around them and gave them someone else to blame for the situation. It was the Allies fault for the depression because of the terms and conditions of surrender from WWI (ignoring that the depression was hitting the victors as well). That it was a consipiracy of a religious group to wipe them out... Crystal Night. That a hardline group took power over the general power base... Night of the Long Knives.

A lot of the same conditions and manipulations can be seen in raising the people who become terrorists and those whom are manipulated into being facists.

The terrorists are told that their leaders have access to the absolute truth, that their is an enemy and that enemies destruction will yield a better life both now and beyond. You can turn your life around with just the touch of a button. Kill your enemy and all will be wonderful...

Idle hands are the devils tools. I am opposed to fundamentalist absolute answers because those are the very tools of the terrorists.

**Idaho** · 07-25-2005, 10:37

A brief glance on the internet about the author... hahahahahahahaha...

**Sigurd** · 07-25-2005, 12:14

Originally Posted by Papewaio

Idle hands are the devils tools. I am opposed to fundamentalist absolute answers because those are the very tools of the terrorists.

I think we should use a different word than fundamentalist. There is nothing wrong with fundamentalism.
As we discussed in the “What is a Jew” thread, a fundamentalist is just someone who opposes modernism, someone who want to take the direction of a religion back to its fundamentals. If those fundamentals are peace and love which are true for most religions, even Islam, there should be no connection between fundamentalists and terror.
If we are using extremists, the ones that needs to take things further than necessary because of who knows what, we start getting closer to a more correct wording.

**bmolsson** · 07-25-2005, 13:13

Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane

As we discussed in the “What is a Jew” thread, a fundamentalist is just someone who opposes modernism, someone who want to take the direction of a religion back to its fundamentals.

True, Pindar is not an extremist and he is quite pleasant to talk to as well.....

**ICantSpellDawg** · 07-25-2005, 13:19

That thread is absurd, but his posts are enlightening. Hey, didn't you write something in that 8 page thread?

**bmolsson** · 07-25-2005, 13:42

Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff

That thread is absurd, but his posts are enlightening. Hey, didn't you write something in that 8 page thread?

Only about 4 pages....

**TonkaToys** · 07-25-2005, 13:29

Only one faith on Earth may be more messianic than Islam: Multiculturalism.

Without it - without its fanatics who believe all civilizations are the same - the engine that projects Islam into the unprotected heart of Western civilization would stall and fall. It's as simple as that. To live among the believers - the multiculturalists - is to watch the assault, the jihad, take place unrepulsed by our suicidal societies. These societies are not doomed to submit; rather, they are eager to do so in the name of a masochistic brand of tolerance that, short of drastic measures, is surely terminal.

Reducing the religious (and sexual and racial) tolerance that we in the West enjoy would be to give in to the demands of terrorism. We would become more and more insular, and cultures would become more and more polarised.

Is the author suggesting that the multicultural societies that we have today are worse than the bigotted societies that we used to have?