"We'll Stay Multiculturally Correct - Even if it Kills Us"

**Ronin** · 07-26-2005, 15:07

Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny

What of it? Once more if a group who claimed to be christians were doing this we would be just saying hey thats wrong. We would be killing the bastards ourselves. If you need any help killing them just ask us. Not hemming and hawing. He does seem to leave room for Jihad does he not?

when the IRA was bombing london i don´t recall an international catolic movement to help kick their ass.....neither would i expect it to happen.......the situation in london isn´t the responsability of Islam as a whole just like the Pope wasn´t responsible for the IRA back in the day...

the does hint that jihad can be acceptable in some situations.......so what?...jihad does not equal terrorism and i imagine it can be conducted in several ways.

**econ21** · 07-26-2005, 15:13

One thing Sheikh Omran said that is significant is that jihad should be declared by a government, not done by individuals. This conservative doctrine means that jihad is rather like conventional war in non-Muslim thinking and the concept cannot be used to justify terrorism. Unfortunately, this interpretation is obviously not shared by OBL and fellow Islamic terrorists.

**Taffy_is_a_Taff** · 07-26-2005, 16:00

Ronin, the IRA may be overwhelmingly Catholic but neither Catholicism nor a certain strand of Catholic theology is behind the current situation in Northern Ireland.

With the IRA you may have expected ordinary citizens of the U.K. to condemn what they did: they did so. You may expect the armed forces (and loyalist terrorists) to go after the IRA: they did so.
You wouldn't expect a mass Catholic movement against them unless they became religious fanatics which they do not tend to be.
You may as well have expected massive Catholic movements against the Argentine govt. when they invaded the Falklands.

**Gawain of Orkeny** · 07-26-2005, 18:34

when the IRA was bombing london i don´t recall an international catolic movement to help kick their ass.....neither would i expect it to happen.......the situation in london isn´t the responsability of Islam as a whole just like the Pope wasn´t responsible for the IRA back in the day...

I said christains not catholics. Or is the british army now mostly made up of Muslims? Wasnt it other christains who fought them? I know my church here condmend their actions. Also Taffy makes excellent points.

**Ronin** · 07-26-2005, 18:51

Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny

I said christains not catholics. Or is the british army now mostly made up of Muslims? Wasnt it other christains who fought them? I know my church here condmend their actions. Also Taffy makes excellent points.

the british army were fighting in their own country.....you talked about an international movement....

also...."condemned"?...talk is cheap....specially in a country were part of the irish population was helping fund the IRA....

it´s all nice and dandy talking about wanting the muslim world to give "strong condemnation"...it´s a little harder to live up to those lofty ideals i see.

**Gawain of Orkeny** · 07-26-2005, 19:26

the british army were fighting in their own country.....you talked about an international movement....

Ireland is their country? Also every protestant accross the world basicly opposed them. I would think that qualifies as international.

also...."condemned"?...talk is cheap....specially in a country were part of the irish population was helping fund the IRA....

These people were no better than the Muslim terrorists. This was done by Irish Catholics here not catholics in general. . What do you want christains from around the world to invade Ireland? I dont think Britain would care too much for that. Try finding a better analogy like a place where Christains are terrorizing another relgion like Islam and not themselves. I havent seen the IRA use the bible to justify their actions or say that anyone who doesnt join the IRA or become a catholic is an infidel and worthy of death. Its more of an Irish thing.

**Kagemusha** · 07-26-2005, 19:39

You cant find any "deacent" terrorist orginization based on extrem Christianity,because there arent any.So the question should be why?Because we have better education system than the Arabs.Who tend to get these grazy ideas from those so called Koran Schools.So should we give little bit support to their governments to start some public schools there?

**Ronin** · 07-27-2005, 09:47

Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny

What do you want christains from around the world to invade Ireland?

thanks for answering your own question.......

take out christians...put in muslims and i ask you...what do you want muslims to do??

other than say that the atacks are wrong(like many muslim authorities have said lots of times), what else do you want?

**bmolsson** · 07-26-2005, 21:42

Originally Posted by Simon Appleton

One thing Sheikh Omran said that is significant is that jihad should be declared by a government, not done by individuals. This conservative doctrine means that jihad is rather like conventional war in non-Muslim thinking and the concept cannot be used to justify terrorism. Unfortunately, this interpretation is obviously not shared by OBL and fellow Islamic terrorists.

Just because somebody say they are on jihad, it doesn't mean they are on one.

**Tribesman** · 07-27-2005, 03:33

edit ...Just because somebody say they are on jihad, it doesn't mean they are on one.
but I am having a wonderful time snow boarding in the Islands of
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Ireland is their country? Also every protestant accross the world basicly opposed them. I would think that qualifies as international.
Could you show me anywhere in the annals of history where Ireland was a united nation ? Possibly show me where it was a united catholic nation.

Typical narrowback Gawain , you probably think Wolfe Tone was catholic and Liam Mellows was an Irishman who was killed by the Brits .
Do you condemn terrorism ? or do you condemn terorism only when it is not "Catholic "?

Catholics don't only want to take over this world , they want the whole Universe .

I havent seen the IRA use the bible to justify their actions or say that anyone who doesnt join the IRA or become a catholic is an infidel and worthy of death.

No , but unfortunately some "christian "movements do , and some that because God is on their side then any nasty thing they have to do is relly Gods workand notthe unrighteous murder that it really is

**Gawain of Orkeny** · 07-27-2005, 07:00

Typical narrowback Gawain , you probably think Wolfe Tone was catholic and Liam Mellows was an Irishman who was killed by the Brits .
Do you condemn terrorism ? or do you condemn terorism only when it is not "Catholic "?

Yeah right . Did you even read my post.?

These people were no better than the Muslim terrorists.

What more do you want me to say? You do know my opinion of Muslim terrorists do you not?

No , but unfortunately some "christian "movements do , and some that because God is on their side then any nasty thing they have to do is relly Gods workand notthe unrighteous murder that it really is

Name one that the world should fear like radical Islam. This is a farce.