"We'll Stay Multiculturally Correct - Even if it Kills Us"

[Axeknight]

That'd be blow up

At least I hope so.

Although having a group of neo-nazi skinheads burst in and blow you off would most likely be pretty frightening too

[Gawain of Orkeny]

the british army were fighting in their own country.....you talked about an international movement....

Ireland is their country? Also every protestant accross the world basicly opposed them. I would think that qualifies as international.

also...."condemned"?...talk is cheap....specially in a country were part of the irish population was helping fund the IRA....

These people were no better than the Muslim terrorists. This was done by Irish Catholics here not catholics in general. . What do you want christains from around the world to invade Ireland? I dont think Britain would care too much for that. Try finding a better analogy like a place where Christains are terrorizing another relgion like Islam and not themselves. I havent seen the IRA use the bible to justify their actions or say that anyone who doesnt join the IRA or become a catholic is an infidel and worthy of death. Its more of an Irish thing.

[Kagemusha]

You cant find any "deacent" terrorist orginization based on extrem Christianity,because there arent any.So the question should be why?Because we have better education system than the Arabs.Who tend to get these grazy ideas from those so called Koran Schools.So should we give little bit support to their governments to start some public schools there?

[bmolsson]

One thing Sheikh Omran said that is significant is that jihad should be declared by a government, not done by individuals. This conservative doctrine means that jihad is rather like conventional war in non-Muslim thinking and the concept cannot be used to justify terrorism. Unfortunately, this interpretation is obviously not shared by OBL and fellow Islamic terrorists.

Just because somebody say they are on jihad, it doesn't mean they are on one.

[Tribesman]

edit ...Just because somebody say they are on jihad, it doesn't mean they are on one.
but I am having a wonderful time snow boarding in the Islands of
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Ireland is their country? Also every protestant accross the world basicly opposed them. I would think that qualifies as international.
Could you show me anywhere in the annals of history where Ireland was a united nation ? Possibly show me where it was a united catholic nation.

Typical narrowback Gawain , you probably think Wolfe Tone was catholic and Liam Mellows was an Irishman who was killed by the Brits .
Do you condemn terrorism ? or do you condemn terorism only when it is not "Catholic "?

Catholics don't only want to take over this world , they want the whole Universe .

I havent seen the IRA use the bible to justify their actions or say that anyone who doesnt join the IRA or become a catholic is an infidel and worthy of death.

No , but unfortunately some "christian "movements do , and some that because God is on their side then any nasty thing they have to do is relly Gods workand notthe unrighteous murder that it really is

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Typical narrowback Gawain , you probably think Wolfe Tone was catholic and Liam Mellows was an Irishman who was killed by the Brits .
Do you condemn terrorism ? or do you condemn terorism only when it is not "Catholic "?

Yeah right . Did you even read my post.?

These people were no better than the Muslim terrorists.

What more do you want me to say? You do know my opinion of Muslim terrorists do you not?

No , but unfortunately some "christian "movements do , and some that because God is on their side then any nasty thing they have to do is relly Gods workand notthe unrighteous murder that it really is

Name one that the world should fear like radical Islam. This is a farce.

[Ronin]

What do you want christains from around the world to invade Ireland?

thanks for answering your own question.......


take out christians...put in muslims and i ask you...what do you want muslims to do??

other than say that the atacks are wrong(like many muslim authorities have said lots of times), what else do you want?

[Gawain of Orkeny]

take out christians...put in muslims and i ask you...what do you want muslims to do??

If the IRA attacked the US and Ireland did nothing about it I bet it wouldnt be long before we invaded there or at least send men to help destroy them. Again theres no comparison between the IRA and AQ in this matter. The IRA isnt a christain organization. In fact its a anti christain organization if you please. They dont attack muslims only other christans.

[A.Saturnus]

What of it? Once more if a group who claimed to be christians were doing this we would be just saying hey thats wrong. We would be killing the bastards ourselves. If you need any help killing them just ask us. Not hemming and hawing. He does seem to leave room for Jihad does he not?

That`s not the point. The point is how you read what he said. For example, he has good reason to leave room for Jihad, it would be against his religion not to do. But before you cry "there you have it", jihad does not necessarily involve violence. The more traditional meaning of jihad is that of an internal struggle, one to be a better muslim.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

That`s not the point. The point is how you read what he said. For example, he has good reason to leave room for Jihad, it would be against his religion not to do. But before you cry "there you have it", jihad does not necessarily involve violence. The more traditional meaning of jihad is that of an internal struggle, one to be a better muslim.

More of the wizard of Oz. Pay no attention to the man in the booth. I am the great and powerful OZ. Tell that to AQ, Islamic Jihad, Hezbolah and countless other radical Muslim extretemist groups killing people all over the world. All any of you can ever fall back on is the IRA.

You leave room for one kind of Jihad you leave room for the other.

[Papewaio]

IRA,
KKK,
Nazis,
Neo-Nazis,
Apartheid South Africa (opposite of a working multicultural state is this type),
French Rainbow Warrior Sinking,
Waco Texas Branch Davidian,
Timothy McVeigh,
JDL,
AQ,
Hamas,
Hezbollah,
Tamil Tigers,
etc

[Gawain of Orkeny]

What is that supposed to be a list of?

[Papewaio]

Short list of some of the worlds terrorists groups and anti-mulitcultural governments.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Waco Texas Branch Davidians were a terrorist group?

Well at least I dont see any Christian organizations there.

[Papewaio]

It is easy for a Christian to see a nutter terrorist who call themselves Christians and go 'No, you certainly are not'.

I would call some factions of the Neo-Nazis, KKK, Apartheid South Africa and IRA as extremist Christian groups just like I would call AQ an extremist Islamic group and JDL an extremist Jewish group. Most mainstream followers will condemn the extremists, but rarely do they step in and use lethal force on them...

[Gawain of Orkeny]

I would call some factions of the Neo-Nazis, KKK, Apartheid South Africa and IRA as extremist Christian groups just like I would call AQ an extremist Islamic group and JDL an extremist Jewish group

Then you would be wrong. You cannot use the words of Christ to back what any of these organizations do. They dont what they do to spread christianity. Your comparing apples and oranges here. Heck to me the police are a terrorist group.

[Papewaio]

This thread is about getting rid of multiculturalism. I am listing both terrorist groups and anti-multiculuralist governments. They are not 1:1 but there is a cross over as most fundamentalists are more prone to being racist/anti-other religions/'purests'/'anti-mixing of race' they are prone to wanting things like the White Australia Policy and a single culture.

[PanzerJaeger]

Who did the Branch Davidians terrorize?

[Byzantine Prince]

Then you would be wrong. You cannot use the words of Christ to back what any of these organizations do. They dont what they do to spread christianity. Your comparing apples and oranges here. Heck to me the police are a terrorist group.

You don't necessarily need the voice of Jesus. If you read the Bible closely enough, there's lot's of little things that condone slavery and even killing of homosexuals. The Bible is a very contradictory and flawed book.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

You don't necessarily need the voice of Jesus. If you read the Bible closely enough, there's lot's of little things that condone slavery and even killing of homosexuals. The Bible is a very contradictory and flawed book.

No its not . And again that the old testament. Thats why I say using Christs words because a christain is one who does so. Theres the difference between christianity and Islam . You can use Mohmad and the Korans words to do just what Bin Laden does. In fact he does. Try to twist Christs words anyway you like you cant do it. Chritianity is a religion of love, Islam is a religion of submission.

[Spetulhu]

Try to twist Christs words anyway you like you cant do it. Chritianity is a religion of love, Islam is a religion of submission.

Love? Have you actually read the New Testament? There's no shortage of threats against anyone that displeases Jesus.

[PanzerJaeger]

If you understood the nature of Jesus, such threats would be seen in a completely different light.

[Papewaio]

Who did the Branch Davidians terrorize?

They belong to the mixed bag of fundamentalist extremists who hate outsiders.

[Azi Tohak]

Okay, I figure I should point this out before someone else does: Matthew 10:34-39

34"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35For I have come to turn
" 'a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her motherinlaw—
36a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.'[a]

37"Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; 38and anyone who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.

a. Matthew 10:36 Micah 7:6

However, this passage is in reference to Matthew 10:21-22

21"Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death. 22All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.

That is what I like about the Bible. You've got to read the whole section at once. NOT just one passage. 10:34-39 was quoted to me once and I was very confused. Then I read chapter 10 myself and, 'ah ha!' it all makes sense.

Azi

[PanzerJaeger]

The biggest problem with the bible is that its so partitioned. It makes it extremely easy to quote things out of context.


Oh and..

They belong to the mixed bag of fundamentalist extremists who hate outsiders.

I dont mean to be a stickler, but do you really thing they belong up there with AQ and the IRA? To me, they were more the victims of terror than terrorists. Ive never heard of them terrorizing anyone.

[Papewaio]

They certainly weren't mainstream nor peace loving...

[Samurai Waki]

Pffffttt. Christianity is just as guilty as Islam is, both aren't really guilty in a cosmic sense what-so-ever, Both Christianity and Islam preach tolerance, love, compassion, honor, valour, courage. If I remember right Christianity was at one time a very hateful sect of religion, and if you say "no. that was just the catholics" thats utter Bullsh*t because Protestantism certainly had it's low moments too, such as Cromwell persecuting Irish Catholics, then there was many witch trials, etc. etc. It's more to do with the people interpreting the books, rather than the books themselves. Sure, both have controversial stuff, but keep in mind that they were written at a time when many of the practices mentioned within were accepted by everyone. Thats why in most modern Bibles and Korans you'll find a nice little Part right before the first page that says "This is not based on fact, but for spiritual guidance" or something along that line. Also Christianity has had time to mature, unlike Islam which has for the most part, been the practiced faith of oppressors and dictators, not by choice per ce' but more by Internal Struggles, and influences of Monarchs.

One of the worst moments I have ever felt was me and one of my friends (who happens to be a muslim) were talking to an Iranian woman in her late 60's who escaped Iran a few years back, she told us that she cries everyday because of how terrible her religion is, and that most people in Iran don't even practice Islam any more because the Ayatollahs tell them that everyone hates them, and that only God loves Muslims. And my friend almost completely lost his faith in Islam too, even though he happens to be the most compassionate and kind person I know BY A LONG SHOT. It's not the machine, its the man behind it.

[TonkaToys]

The biggest problem with the bible is that its so partitioned. It makes it extremely easy to quote things out of context...

Can't you say that about the Koran as well? Could the extremists be picking passages out that support their views and quoting them out of context?

[Ronin]

I dont mean to be a stickler, but do you really thing they belong up there with AQ and the IRA? To me, they were more the victims of terror than terrorists. Ive never heard of them terrorizing anyone.

i see how they couldn´t be really classified as terrorists....they didn´t really try to impose their political views on other....so they aren´t terrorists...


but victims of terror themselfs?????....were do you get that from?

at the very least they were criminals.....with some pretty freaky loony ideas thrown in....the atf and the fbi kicked their ass like they should..

[Gawain of Orkeny]

but victims of terror themselfs?????....were do you get that from?

I would consider what our government did at Waco to be state sponsored terrorism and a truly low point in our history.