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    Lord of the House Flies Member Al Khalifah's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Al Khalifah
    So the American Civil War didn't happen?
    Quote Originally Posted by Redleg
    And the United States won did it not.
    It would've been very disappointing if it hadn't. That's the point of a civil war.

    And again the colonies were not Europeans.
    Were they natives? While I'm sure there were aborigines and maoris in the Australian and New Zealand armies that fought in WW2 on the British side, I'm pretty sure that the majority of these armies would have been composed of only recently resettled Europeans.
    Fair enough they didn't actually live in Europe. You are correct there, but since they were part of the British Empire, they would be expected to fight. You are making an unreasonable statement by picking the difference. All subjects of the British Empire would be expected to fight for the crown, so in a way, doesn't that make them British by proxy (and hence European)? The British Empire couldn't possibly have sustained itself so large and so long if it depended entirely on soldiers born and raised in Britain. The only distinguishing feature between an Australian soldier in WW2 and a British solder in WW2 would be that the Australian soldier had lived in Australia.

    Europe and you Europeans have never done this in your entire history Every time Europe was threatened, Europeans achieved to surpass their internal fights and to protect the continent. And in fact Europe has been more warlike in the last 250 years of history then the United States.
    While I wouldn't agree with your initial wording (which seemed crass and didn't get the point across) I will agree that the point you were trying to make is true after some explanation. I think it's a rather unfair comparison in that the fundamental difference between Europe and America is that one is not a single nation but a series of nations. The nations in Europe up until the last 50 years have also been Empires that relied on foreign labour and soldiers to sustain themselves. Bordering nations inevitably go to war. If by Americans, I meant all those who live in the North American continent, then there have been great internal struggles there too and not all wars in America were settled just by Americans. The War of Independence could not have been won without the French and the North could not have won the Civil War without the Irish immigrant soldiers (do they count as Irish if they were born and lived most of their lives in Ireland?)
    Last edited by Al Khalifah; 07-28-2005 at 08:43.
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