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    What the world owes Palestinians and the Left
    Dennis Prager (archive)

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    In the last few weeks, innocent men, women and children have been blown up, paralyzed, brain damaged and otherwise had their lives ruined by Muslim suicide bombers in Britain, Egypt and Iraq.

    Who can we thank for this man-made plague? Palestinians and the Left.

    We need to thank Palestinians for their major contribution to humanity -- religiously sanctioned mass murder of innocents through suicide. Prior to the Palestinians, this did not exist.

    It is true that Tamil suicide bombers in Sri Lanka have murdered many thousands and they are not Muslims. But the Tamil rationale for suicide terror -- though utterly immoral -- is confined to a (secular) nationalist movement in Sri Lanka. Palestinian Muslims -- no Palestinian Christians have committed a suicide bombing -- have created a religious and moral basis for mass murder and did so within a worldwide religion with a billion adherents. When the Palestinians sent brainwashed young men to blow themselves up in Israeli buses, cafes and discos, they offered justifications that provided the basis for many others to do the same.

    They said that blowing up Jews in Israel -- of any age and in any location -- was an act that glorified Allah, that one who engaged in such atrocities was a Muslim equivalent to a saint, and would be rewarded in heaven by many beautiful virgins. I do not know of any Muslim religious organization or leader who condemned this Palestinian Muslim terror-theology as anti-Islamic.

    Judea Pearl, the father of murdered Wall Street Journal journalist Daniel Pearl, has devoted his life since his son's murder by Muslims in Pakistan to building bridges to the Muslim world. He told me on my radio show that he is sad to report that "99.99 percent" of the Muslim world does not believe that Israel has the right to exist as a Jewish state. It is no wonder, then, that so few Muslims religiously or morally condemned Palestinian terror against Israeli Jews. At best, some Palestinians condemn Palestinian terror as counterproductive to the Palestinian cause. Period. It may be impractical, but not immoral or un-Islamic.

    What therefore happened was that the religious justification for murdering innocent people took hold in the Muslim world. It apparently never occurred to Muslim leaders that once you justify evil, that evil will eventually be unleashed against you, too. If blowing up Jewish children is OK, so is blowing up Egyptian, Moroccan, Iraqi, British, Spanish and Russian children.

    And that is where the Left comes in. They have provided the secular and universal justification for Palestinian Islamic terror against Jews.

    According to the world's Left, it's OK for Palestinians to put bombs in an Israeli student cafeteria because:

    1. Israel occupies Palestinian land (even though a leftist Israeli government offered 97 percent of it to Yasser Arafat)

    2. Therefore, Palestinians are engaging in legitimate resistance

    3. Since Palestinians don't have sophisticated weaponry, they use their weapon, the suicide bomber

    4. Israelis kill Palestinian civilians, so there is a moral equivalence between Israel and the Palestinians (even though the Palestinians target Jewish innocents and the Israelis do not target Palestinian innocents)

    But, alas, the anti-Israel Left (an almost redundant description), too, did not understand the genie it had helped unleash onto the world. Why is it all right for Muslims to blow up Israeli children, but not Russian children? Israeli buses, but not British buses? Jews in Israel, but not Muslims in Iraq?

    Actually, for many on the Left, it is all right. The socialist mayor of London himself blames the terror in his city on British support for America and Israel, not on Islamic terror-theology.

    Like London's mayor, the Left around the world blames Israel for the Palestinian suicide bombers, and blames America for those in Iraq. Without the Left around the world, the Palestinian God-based mass murder through suicide would have been an isolated phenomenon, universally condemned as the evil it is.

    And who is to blame for the Muslim terror in other Muslim countries such as Morocco and Egypt? Here, the leftist and Muslim apologists for Palestinian terror enter cognitive dissonance.

    The next time you read of men, women and children blown apart by a young Muslim praising Allah, you can thank Palestinians and the Left.
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    He really hates muslims and Palestinians. Wonder how long I am allowed to live in his world.

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    Wow, who is this mysterious "world's Left" who actually approve of terrorist acts by Palestinians? Do they truly represent those of us with social inclinations, or are they merely a box label for conservatives to simplify their world view even further?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmolsson
    He really hates muslims and Palestinians. Wonder how long I am allowed to live in his world.
    That would only be if Muslim and mass murderer are the same, and if Palestinian and terrorist are equivalents. Are they? Many in the west were outraged by the Abu Ghraib prison incident. Why don't the Palestinians criticize and condemn the attacks against civilians? Why do they dance in the streets when thousands of innocent Americans were killed on Sept 11?
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    bmolsson, I don't know if you were intentionally being stupid or cute but he never said he hates Moslems. He hates that your religious leaders (the few people who might have power over these nutjobs) have not condemned the terrorism. Therefore, it has spread, unchecked. I don't know if you condone or condemn it. If you do condone it...well...then we probably knows how he would feel about you.

    And the world's left are the Democrats here in the states, the Labor (doesn't that just scream commies?) in Australia (and I think the UK too), who are too busy trying to make everyone happy that they forget that some people just refuse to be happy. Like the 'Palestinians'. Do you not think that Israel should plead, on bended knee (easier for the sword to hit their neck you undersand), for forgiveness from all the 'Palestinians' who keep blowing themselves up to make a point? If you do think that, you are probably a member of the 'Left'. If you think that the 'Palestinians' have been robbed and brainwashed into being the largest single group of terrorists in the world, you might belong to the 'Right' (like me...for better or worse).

    And I don't know about you Roark, but there are those people who believe people should stand up for their rights...and those who believe that talking can eventually solve anything. Even if they are wrong. To their own detriment. Then of course there are those who have been brainwashed (i.e. 'Palestinians') and believe whatever they were told last.

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    Curious; who on the left actually said "I approve ... "

    The majority on the left would actually disapprove of the tactics used by "Terrorist Suicide Bombers", if asked directly. While some will blame the "Western" nations for the recent acts as motivation, the "doctrine" is actually from the radical "Muslims" themselves and the "Left" would not endorese these actions in any way.
    Last edited by kiwitt; 07-27-2005 at 04:08.
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    Well, I'd consider myself a leftie, but I'm not anti-Israel or pro-Palestinian. I loathe whoever is teaching these Palestinian kids this doctrine-justified hatred...

    I suspect that this article may be a gross misrepresentation of certain facts for the purposes of simplifying the argument... ("Who's to blame?" "Uh, THEY'RE to blame!")

    Both sides (Israel and PLO) are guilty as sin. Israel's sins are sometimes "legitimised" a little through their influence in the local media, but every government in the world is guilty of that...
    Last edited by Roark; 07-27-2005 at 04:06.

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    Damn he sounds like me.
    What you mean he completely ignores facts to fit into his own view of things ?
    Just for an example Gawain , a subject that should be close to your heart as an ex-Marine , during the civil war in Lebanon , which "religeous" group was responsible for most of the suicide bombings (numerically not casualty wise) ?

    To add more fun to the subject , were they responsible for 60% . 70% . or 80% of the suicide attacks .
    Answers on a public forum , address and return pre-paid envelope are not required .
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    Are you speaking of Islamic Jihad. Youve lost me here. I guess your humor goes over my head.
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    Are you speaking of Islamic Jihad. Youve lost me here.
    Oh dear Gawain , you lost , no prize for you then .
    In the question you have the location of the conflict , you have the time frame .....try again . It is quite a simple question , though the parameters I set in the second part may be slightly off putting as it is between 60 and 70%

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    Iraq is now the single biggest reason for the increased terrorism around the world, fact. The left - a vast majority anyway - opposed the war, how can they then be so responsible for the attacks?

    Yes there was attacks before Iraq, but you cannot get away from the fact that Iraq has not only made the situation worse, given new reasons for attacks / recruitment / ideology etc, but also made us take our eye completely off the ball of Afghanistan and AQ.

    Also, to believe that the left agrees with suicide bombings is to be completely slanderous, the left understands why it happens and attempts to try and argue about solving the reasons why, but it never accepts suicide bombings as right.
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    "According to the world's Left, it's OK for Palestinians to put bombs in an Israeli student cafeteria because..."

    Dumbest thing ive ever heard. First of all there is no "world's left"... the left is divided into thousands of different parties. And supporting terrorists has nothing to do with socialism och social democracy.

    "...busy trying to make everyone happy that they forget that some people just refuse to be happy. Like the 'Palestinians'"

    haha, ok the price for *censor* comment goes to; Azi Tohak.
    Yeah those palestinians whom gets their houses demolished by Isreali tanks... yeha they Dont Want to be happy! They Want to be unhappy; Everyone Of Them!
    Nice going justifing massmurder on palestinians... you know, since they dont want peace anyway right?
    What the hell do you exepct them to be happy about? Do you think they should sit in the rubble of bombed houses and play with rocks, smiliing and laughing?
    Or maybe they should celibrate the fact that family members are getting shot by isreali soldiers.
    Maybe brake a laugh couse one of the sons commited suicide and killed isrealis.
    may YOUR god bless you!

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    Do you not think that Israel should plead, on bended knee (easier for the sword to hit their neck you undersand), for forgiveness from all the 'Palestinians' who keep blowing themselves up to make a point? If you do think that, you are probably a member of the 'Left'.
    I think Palestinine gets judged rather unfairly. Yes they are 100% wrong in killing innocent people, but Isreal isnt innocent either. Isreal builds towns in between palestinian towns and in jerusalem they have a wall that divides palestinian from palestinian. Isreal denies palestinians a normal exsitance just as palestine denies them onw.

    So, i think they both need to realize that the conflict is only hurting themselves and both owe the other side much apologizes, though palestine might owe a few more.

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    Oh Alah, Gawain did it again. He lowered the level of his quoted articles. Man, where do you find all this rubbish?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Franconicus
    Man, where do you find all this rubbish?
    Here is the source for Dennis Prager's "pearls of wisdom":
    Dennis Prager

    I wonder what country this guy lives in ... can't be on this planet...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ser Clegane
    Here is the source for Dennis Prager's "pearls of wisdom":
    Dennis Prager

    I wonder what country this guy lives in ... can't be on this planet...
    No, he isn't. I guess he is from the planet Orkeny.

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    Yet another anti-muslim rant...

    ...the article makes no effort to differentiate between muslims and suicide bombers, somehow this guy thinks the words have the same meaning. Its like saying that the Pope leads the attack in Iraq...


    ...Isnt there anyone else who thinks that this religious abuse should stop? Some people are jsut trying to create hate in the forum. I m not a muslim but If I was I d be really pissed off on some things posted here.
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    Pennis Drager is another one of Gawain's pets from Townhall.com. The site that advertises a 'Conservative Dating Service' -'Find Conservatives in your area!'
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    Quote Originally Posted by rasoforos
    ...Isnt there anyone else who thinks that this religious abuse should stop? Some people are jsut trying to create hate in the forum. I m not a muslim but If I was I d be really pissed off on some things posted here.
    Let the mods do their job

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    Quote Originally Posted by Idaho
    Pennis Drager is another one of Gawain's pets from Townhall.com. The site that advertises a 'Conservative Dating Service' -'Find Conservatives in your area!'


    ....I just saw the website and I am a bit speechless


    Its like they are trying to seperate themselves from humans and become a different species or something...

    ....No wonder there are still some people who support Bush's nonsence. They just live in websites like that and pretend that all is going well and that the whole world would really love to be under U.S occupation and enjoy the same lack of human rights.



    Franconius: I know its the mods job and I know religious hatred and fascist leaning threads are not closed anymore . I can still protest though and I hope other will as well
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    Isn't this thread rather...pointless? I mean, seriously, the argument is like "hey, Palestinians AREN'T humans! They are MONSTERS! They will come to kidnap your children in their sleep so they can practice cannibalism on them!" kind of thing. A rant, you know. Oh, and "the conspiracy theory of the day: World Leftists Betrayal!"



    P.S. I don't even know who exactly these "world lefts" are supposed to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntiochusIII
    P.S. I don't even know who exactly these "world lefts" are supposed to be.
    Opposite of Galactic Rights!

    But you are right! This thread is meaningless. Pure spam!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rasoforos
    Yet another anti-muslim rant...

    ...the article makes no effort to differentiate between muslims and suicide bombers, somehow this guy thinks the words have the same meaning. Its like saying that the Pope leads the attack in Iraq...


    ...Isnt there anyone else who thinks that this religious abuse should stop? Some people are jsut trying to create hate in the forum. I m not a muslim but If I was I d be really pissed off on some things posted here.
    I have to agree and the hate spewed out at homosexual people as well. The intolerance at this place has never been so high and never been so tolerated. The only thing we shouldn't tolerate is intolerance - the mods should really start closing the threads which are simply hate speech against minorities and groups of people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azi Tohak
    I don't know if you condone or condemn it.
    If you read some of my posts you would know that I condemn and protest all terrorist acts. Furthermore, I am against violence and war.
    Still though, I don't think that I would be allowed to live for long if he was in charge......

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    Point of Order Gentlemen: Staff does watch these threads, and scrutinize them closely for forum rules violations. We appreciate your input/opinions about topic/post appropriateness, and take on board such critiques.

    This thread has not (yet) descended into objectionable material. The starter post/article is silly IMO with its simplistic lumping together of culprits, and deserves the bright sunshine of ridicule, not the dark preemption of censorship.

    We encourage the maximum freedom of expression here, within forum rules. Closing a thread because it is unpopular with one side or the other works contrary to that principle. Please resist the urge to bully staff to do otherwise. Instead, if you find a post objectionable, use the 'report bad post' button, and specifically lay out what you find wrong.

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    [QUOTE=KukriKhan]...'report bad post' button...[QUOTE]

    Where can I find this button?

    Bottom, left of every post. Exclamation Point (!), surrounded by red triangle. - Kukri
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    Right below your avatar:

    Edit: Someone else’s avatar, I mean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dâriűsh
    Right below your profile picture:

    Edit: Someone else’s profile picture, I mean.

    P.S.: Who do you quote in your siggy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Franconicus

    P.S.: Who do you quote in your siggy?
    Nothing less than the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KukriKhan
    This thread has not (yet) descended into objectionable material. The starter post/article is silly IMO with its simplistic lumping together of culprits, and deserves the bright sunshine of ridicule, not the dark preemption of censorship.
    Wise words there KukriKhan - the best way to counter intolerance is not by banning it - but shine the light of reason and truth on that arguement. Ridicule also does a good job of countering such intolerance - but as we have seen in other nations banning and censoring it only causes problems.
    O well, seems like 'some' people decide to ruin a perfectly valid threat. Nice going guys... doc bean

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