The Legal Framework for Gitmo

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Nice distortion there, McCarthy was good at it as well.

This admin and its supporters are masters of the smear campaign. There is concerted effort to label everyone who disagrees with it as lefties, soft on terrorism, yada, yada, yada. Same ole' stuff on this board.

Yes I know it was - but again you made a specif allegation of Yep, Dubya has introduced the new McCarthyism and there are a lot of misguided folks swallowing it hook line and sinker. Again where is the Congressional investigations charging people with un-american activities. A smear campaign is nothing but mud slinging to people who might or might not believe the same things you do.

And again accusing others of what you yourself are doing - its so pathic that its humerous to me. Why else do you think I responded in such a way.

Can you ackownledge that you are doing the exact same thing you are complaining about, or are you so blind in your politicial believes that it prevents you from seeing even that?

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Can you ackownledge that you are doing the exact same thing you are complaining about, or are you so blind in your politicial believes that it prevents you from seeing even that?

No, I can't, because it isn't true. Complaining about McCarthyism doesn't qualify one as using McCarthy-esque tactics. Sorry, it just doesn't.

I could have been more specific, and said, "those individuals that equate opposition to the admin's policies to being a lefty, liberal, soft on terror, etc are delusional idiots that enjoy convenient lies rather than rational discussion" but I chose to be a bit more diplomatic.

Fact is, there is a concerted effort by the Right to try to treat the rest of us as unpatriotic. That is McCarthyism. Don't like it? Tough! It is true.

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No, I can't, because it isn't true. Complaining about McCarthyism doesn't qualify one as using McCarthy-esque tactics. Sorry, it just doesn't.

Your right - expect that you are making broad generalized comments about it- without making spefic allegations and points about where this is being done is a systemic way by the government. And that is what makes your counter arguement hypocritical.

Again I ask - Yep, Dubya has introduced the new McCarthyism and there are a lot of misguided folks swallowing it hook line and sinker Where is the proof in the pudding so to speak - that President Bush is going beyond normal political rethoric in countering those that politicial oppose him. Where is the investigations by congress into the activities of those that oppose the President.

I could have been more specific, and said, "those individuals that equate opposition to the admin's policies to being a lefty, liberal, soft on terror, etc are delusional idiots that enjoy convenient lies rather than rational discussion" but I chose to be a bit more diplomatic.

And just as delusional as your accusing those who oppose your idealogical standpoint. When individuals make comments like that - as individuals not as members of the government - they are not instituting McCarthyism into the equation - but are expressing their opinion be it irrational or delusional in your opinion. However it seems that you are once again accusing others of being irrational and using buzzwords - while not finding fault with yourself for doing the exact same thing.

Fact is, there is a concerted effort by the Right to try to treat the rest of us as unpatriotic. That is McCarthyism. Don't like it? Tough! It is true.

Actually its not McCarthyism - unless you can show where it fits within the actual defination of the term - either as it was orginal met or what it has become to mean.

McCarthyism, named for Senator Joseph McCarthy of Wisconsin, was a period of intense anti-communism in the United States primarily from 1950 to 1954, when the U.S. government was actively engaged in suppression of the American Communist Party, its leadership, and others suspected of being Communists or Communist sympathizers. During this period people from all walks of life became the subject of aggressive witch-hunts, often based on inconclusive or questionable evidence. It grew out of the Second Red Scare that began in the late 1940s.

Modern term for it


Since the time of the red scare led by Joe McCarthy, the term McCarthyism has entered American speech as a general term for the phenomenon of mass pressure, harassment, or blacklisting used to pressure people to follow popular political beliefs. The act of making insufficiently supported accusations or engaging in unfair investigations against a person as an attempt to unfairly silence or discredit them is often referred to as McCarthyism.

The term has since become synonymous with any government activity which seeks to suppress unfavorable political or social views, often by limiting or suspending civil rights under the pretext of maintaining national security.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism

Again lets see the evidence where an aggressive witch-hunt is being done by the government because individuals disagree with the stated governmental postion on terrorism; or to supress their view? (classic and modern defination of the word)

edit: even using the modern defination of it - show me where mass pressure or harassment is being used to pressure people to follow the adminstrations guidelines. (modern usage of the word)

Come on now - you can do better then the simple politicial rethoric - or have you become so blinded that you can longer think beyond your own political belief system.

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Fact is, there is a concerted effort by the Right to try to treat the rest of us as unpatriotic. That is McCarthyism. Don't like it? Tough! It is true.

Hahaha and hes claiming the right likes to label people? The hypocrisy is staggering.

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edit: even using the modern defination of it - show me where mass pressure or harassment is being used to pressure people to follow the adminstrations guidelines. (modern usage of the word)

Come on now - you can do better then the simple politicial rethoric - or have you become so blinded that you can longer think beyond your own political belief system.

Your own definition proved my point, thanks again. This admin has been systematic at going after those who oppose it, and the rhetoric is monotonous. Want examples, look at this Rove cover up. It was an attempt to "get back" at an enemy. I could cite other examples, but I'm talking to a wall here.

Mass pressure? Just watch the conservative attack dogs in this forum sometime. Gawain's even defending McCarthy, LOL.

I'm not blinded by political rhetoric. I try to actually weigh things and make a judgement rather than aligning with either sides own definitions. For that I've been told I lack principles...again by the conservatives who believe the world is black and white, and that gray is not a real option. Excuse me for not being an extremist.

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Your own definition proved my point, thanks again. This admin has been systematic at going after those who oppose it, and the rhetoric is monotonous. Want examples, look at this Rove cover up. It was an attempt to "get back" at an enemy. I could cite other examples, but I'm talking to a wall here.

Again the pot calling the kettle black. The tactic of a poor debator is to attempt to dismiss the individual they are debating with on an issue.

Actually your not debating with a wall - but its nice to see you think I am but then you missed the initial part of my comment direct at your very first accustion - which is to provide proof of your allegation - because to just mud sling your doing the same thing that you are accusing other of doing.

The Rove coverup by the way is not an examble of McCarthyism - its something else.

And you say your not blinded by political rhetoric. By the way since your brought it up - how does the Rove Coverup as you called it - fit into the defination of The term has since become synonymous with any government activity which seeks to suppress unfavorable political or social views, often by limiting or suspending civil rights under the pretext of maintaining national security.

or within the other modern usage of the term

The act of making insufficiently supported accusations or engaging in unfair investigations against a person as an attempt to unfairly silence or discredit them is often referred to as McCarthyism.

Because from what I have read on the issue - and I am not all that well versed in it but it seems that there is evidence of malfeasence on the part of the agent's husband. So is the government making insufficient accusations at the husband - or is there a possiblity of mulitple mistakes by multiple people - beyond just Carl Rove.

Mass pressure? Just watch the conservative attack dogs in this forum sometime. Gawain's even defending McCarthy, LOL.

A few people don't make it mass pressure. This forum and the posters here represent what less then .001% of the AMerican population.

I'm not blinded by political rhetoric. I try to actually weigh things and make a judgement rather than aligning with either sides own definitions. For that I've been told I lack principles...again by the conservatives who believe the world is black and white, and that gray is not a real option. Excuse me for not being an extremist.

Well I would disagree with you about not being blinded by political rhetoric - since your throwing terms like McCarthyism around without backing them up. Especially this little one

Yep, Dubya has introduced the new McCarthyism and there are a lot of misguided folks swallowing it hook line and sinker