Mc Carthyism another lie by the left.

[Ronin]

man.....i gotta turn conservative....


you guys obviously have acess to the best drugs out there don´t ya?

come on....share the goods man!

[sharrukin]

man.....i gotta turn conservative....


you guys obviously have acess to the best drugs out there don´t ya?

come on....share the goods man!

It called reality man! And it's some really powerful stuff, but you have be careful about how much you take all at once. Liberals especially, never having tried it before need to go slowly.

[Byzantine Prince]

Well actually the reality is that insane bastard wanted to nuke China and North Korea at the same time. That would have end in millions of people being killed, and a lot more sick even here in Canada.

I haven't read the article because frankly any article that speaks well of this guy does not deserve my attention.

Have fun.

[PanzerJaeger]

I haven't read the article because frankly any article that speaks well of this guy does not deserve my attention.

Worried it might challenge your preconcieved notions?

[Redleg]

Feh. McCarthy was nothing but a Christian Extremist who climbed the ladder by blanket-smearing his political opposition as "Pro-Communist". Him and J. Edgar Hoover are rank highest on my list of early-mid 20th century bastardizers of the constitution.

Ah blind hate - will take your far in life. To bad McCarthy was already a Senator before he started his Anti-communist campaign - or your theory might actually stand up.

However some tidbits of information on Senator McCarthy - some written by individuals that detest him.

It began in 1950, three years after he had taken his seat in the Senate, where he had seemed a dim and inconsiderable figure. It ended in 1954, when the Senate passed a resolution of censure against him. That was three years before his death at the age of fony-eight. Both his rise and his fall were accomplished with breath-taking speed

Lets see he climbed the Ladder of Politics - yea right.

http://www.writing.upenn.edu/~afilre...arthy-bio.html

There is injustice as well as imprecision in both meanings; if patriotism can hardly be reduced to tracking down Marxists in the pastry kitchens of the Pentagon or the bindery of the Govemment Printing Office, neither is the late Senator's sumame to be placed at the center of all the constellations of political unrighteousness. He was not, for example, totalitarian in any significant sense, or even reactionary. These terms apply mainly to the social and economic order, and the social and economic order didn't interest him in the slightest. If he was anything at all in the realm of ideas, principles, doctrines, he was a species of nihilist; he was an essentially destructive force, a revolutionist without any revelutionary vision, a rebel without a cause.

BP might like that little quote.

His early years in the Senate were unimpressive, but in 1949, with several U.S. Cold War setbacks and an increasingly anti-communist political atmosphere at home, McCarthy found a cause. In February 1950, in Wheeling, West Virginia, he made the first of a series of claims that he had the names of "known communists" who were in the employ of the State Department. It was the beginning of a personal witch hunt for communists in the government that lasted for more than five years. McCarthy rarely provided any solid evidence to back up his claims, but in the political climate of the time his accusations and subsequent investigations nonetheless ended many a career and damaged a good number of lives.

After winning re-election in 1952, McCarthy became chairman of the Permanent Investigations Subcommittee, a position he used to launch many of his investigations of government officials and agencies. He did not shy away from questioning the integrity of people such as George C. Marshall, or even President Eisenhower. The latter disliked McCarthy intensely but refused to "get in the gutter with him" and never denounced the senator publicly. However, by 1953 a seemingly out-of-control McCarthy was making many enemies. His investigation of the activities of an Army dentist, Maj. Irving Peress, eventually led to his downfall. In 1954, the Army launched its counterattack, charging that McCarthy was seeking preferential treatment for a consultant, David Schine, who in 1953 had been drafted into the Army. Eventually McCarthy's own subcommittee decided to hold hearings on the matter, the Army-McCarthy hearings. The televised hearings fully exposed McCarthy as irresponsible and dishonest. In December 1954, the Senate voted to censure him. McCarthy never repented, but he quickly descended into irrelevance and alcoholism. He died of a liver ailment in Bethesda, Maryland, on May 2, 1957, at age 47.

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/cold.war...iles/mccarthy/

Even CNN doesn't make the claim that you are about McCarthy.

Someone needs to do some more reading up on McCarthy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_McCarthy

Oh by the way no where in my readings does it state McCarthy was a Christian Extremist. Care to provide the supporting evidence for such a claim?

[Kaiser of Arabia]

McCarthy was a great, great man. Too bad he wasn't president. America would have won the cold war then.

[Redleg]

McCarthy was a great, great man. Too bad he wasn't president. America would have won the cold war then.

Naw McCarthy was many things - but he was not great, nor was the villian that he is often protrayed to be. He was a basic middle of the road to bum of a senator who got a 5 minute spotlight because he wanted to route communist spies out of the government.

Many of the things that people complain about when they mention McCarthyism was done by others - especially the Committee on Un-American Activities which was a house committee

.McCarthy is often incorrectly described as part of the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC), which is well known for the investigation of Alger Hiss which helped bring Richard Nixon into prominence. HUAC was established in May of 1938 as the "Dies Committee" before McCarthy was elected to the Federal office, and, being a House committee, had no connection with McCarthy who served in the Senate. In 1953, playwright Arthur Miller wrote The Crucible, an allegory for McCarthyism. This was probably the primary cause for Miller being brought before the House Committee on Un-American Activities in 1956.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

McCarthy might not have been a Christian Extremist, per se, but he was just as bad. He used Christianity to fuel his anti-communist Witch-hunt.

"Today we are engaged in a final, all-out battle between Communistic Atheism and Christianity."

I guess you could say that about the whole congress then. Isnt this when they put in god we trust on our coins and put one nation under god in the pledge of alligance. How many times to we have to tell you that the US is a christain nation. It still is in that most people here are or consider themselves to be christains. Man Linclon and the founding fathers must be really far out there. Also the witch hunt bit has been pretty much debunked if you do some research or even read what posted here.

[JAG]

I am astounded everyday how often the people on this forum who consider themselves Conservatives, love to collectively delude themselves.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Debunked? I see a bunch of opinionated quotes, is all. You cannot debunk the witch-hunt. J. Edgar Hoover's actions cemented it as fact.

Have you been reading the same thread as I have?

[sharrukin]

McCarthy might not have been a Christian Extremist, per se, but he was just as bad. He used Christianity to fuel his anti-communist Witch-hunt.

"Today we are engaged in a final, all-out battle between Communistic Atheism and Christianity."

~McCarthy

Seems the other side agreed with him on the all-out battle!

"Capitalism and Christianity must be destroyed!" Karl Marx

Statement by Lenin: "What does it matter if three-fourths of world is killed, just so the remaining one-fourth is communist."

[Redleg]

McCarthy might not have been a Christian Extremist, per se, but he was just as bad. He used Christianity to fuel his anti-communist Witch-hunt.

"Today we are engaged in a final, all-out battle between Communistic Atheism and Christianity."

~McCarthy

Ah - so you made up the allegation that McCarthy was a Christian Extremist.

[Xiahou]

McCarthy might not have been a Christian Extremist, per se, but he was just as bad. He used Christianity to fuel his anti-communist Witch-hunt.

"Today we are engaged in a final, all-out battle between Communistic Atheism and Christianity."

~McCarthy

Pretty much any politician that mentions God or Christ ends up in your bad books huh?

[Xiahou]

If you've read any of my posts on this subject at all, you'd know I am not against religious congressmen.

I've read many of your posts- including one's where you said you thought it was bad or wrong that a Congressman would allow their religion to influence their views... thus my statement. You've said you're opposed to any legislation or lack thereof that could have any religious rationale.

[Red Harvest]

I spent a little while wondering whether i should dignify this with a response. If you've read any of my posts on this subject at all, you'd know I am not against religious congressmen. What I am against are congressmen using religion to further their agenda. The Senate is supposed to be a pure, objective institution. And while it sure as hell rarely comes to that point, muddying everything up with religious bias is a bad choice any way you slice it.

Amen. (Yes, the irony is intentional.) I agree 100%, am so sick of religion being used as a political tool that I can't even express my level of frustration with it. It should be IRRELEVANT. I can tell you one thing, it has tested my faith listening to these pharisee's abuse their faith. It does give me a better understanding of how screwed up religious based govts are though.

[Franconicus]

McCarthy was a great, great man. Too bad he wasn't president. America would have won the cold war then.

Yes, and he would have abolished the Bill of Rights and the rest of this democracy stuff!

[Ironside]

Well, let me see if I get it straight, Mc Carthy made US aware of the Soviet infiltration threat, but also used the communist label to eliminate political enemies. Correct? That was then spread to a public witch-hunt on a lot of public people that didn't exactly was a threat (they were not Soviet spies or heavy Soviet sympathizers). Correct?

AFAIK, the second part is what Mc Carthyism symbolizes.

So the symbol and the actual figure isn't a 100% match. So what? That isn't exactly unusual, when it comes to symbols.

And the thread has ended up here?

[bmolsson]

I think McCarthy was a closet communist. He acted so much as the homophobians these days.....

[sharrukin]

Well, let me see if I get it straight, Mc Carthy made US aware of the Soviet infiltration threat, but also used the communist label to eliminate political enemies. Correct? That was then spread to a public witch-hunt on a lot of public people that didn't exactly was a threat (they were not Soviet spies or heavy Soviet sympathizers). Correct?

AFAIK, the second part is what Mc Carthyism symbolizes.

So the symbol and the actual figure isn't a 100% match. So what? That isn't exactly unusual, when it comes to symbols.

And the thread has ended up here?

What witch-hunt are you talking about?
AFAIK the only political opponent Mccarthy associated with Communism was a guy endorsed by the Communist party. That was in 1946.

The problem is that there is almost a total disconnect between what happened and the myth.