Mc Carthyism another lie by the left.

[Red Harvest]

Full of hate for who? The only group I have ever stated I hate are terrorists. You talk about my irrational abhorrence of Clinton, what of your towards GWB. Again you are a hypocrite of the first magnitude. I admit Im a staunch conservative at leastI admit it. I also never said our siding against the Soviets brought on terrorist acts. I said that I couldnt understand why we fight them in Afghanistan yet support them in Kosovo. You have never addressed the topic of this thread other than to say hogwash conservatives suck. But then you are a moderate.. You are indeed a Master Debator.

I've been very clear about what I dislike about Dubya and I refer to the acts specifically. That isn't hate. I was actually fairly neutral on him when he first took office, since I had a low opinion of Gore. Dubya has had his shot and I'm not impressed by the results. Some think he's done great, but he's failed on most measures I have. If his policies were actually successful at fulfilling their objectives I wouldn't be so down on him.

You said in the other thread that Clinton had supported AQ etc. by supporting Kosovo. It makes no more sense than the Afghan arguments where again our support was being used against the Soviet occupation. There is no conflict in the two objectives, since both were intended to stop an aggressor. Now you are throwing in the recent Afghan invasion, which is not relevant. We weren't supporting terror in Kosovo, we were stopping genocide. I find that far easier to defend than the Iraq War which while I feel was justified for other reasons, was certainly not justified for the reasons given by the commander in chief.

As for being a "Master Debator." I'm not here to win points for a debate squad. If I wanted to do that I could go play bounce the ball with Pindar in that other thread that is going on forever. I leave a thread when I feel it is stale (and this one was headed there in hurry.) I don't ever expect to get in the last word with our resident right wing, nor do I feel I have some obligation to respond to every single question or comment posed. I do however have a huge problem with the absolute spew coming from the conservative side of the political world at the moment, and I'll call it as I see it. Not that yellow journalism doesn't come from the other side, I dismiss it just as readily. However, the net is just swimming with silly conservative propaganda anymore and usually I turn up more of that than the other extreme when I'm doing searches. It is annoying trying to find something neutral wading through that flotsam.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

You said in the other thread that Clinton had supported AQ etc. by supporting Kosovo. It makes no more sense than the Afghan arguments where again our support was being used against the Soviet occupation.

Theres a big difference between helping someone oppose sovit accupation and stepping into a civil war where both sides ar equally guilty and taking the side of those who proven to be your enemy. It may not have occured to you I take it that Clinton came after we started helping in Afganistan . The KLA and AQ are like 2 peas in a pod.

There is no conflict in the two objectives, since both were intended to stop an aggressor.

Thats a matter of opinion. I say the Albanians were the aggressors. I gave you plenty of proof in the other thread. Again both sides were at fault. Its like us suddenly saying Israel is slaughtering Palestinians and bombing Israel.

We weren't supporting terror in Kosovo, we were stopping genocide

Bull . Its going on as we speak but its the Albanians who are doing it and always have been. Yes the Serbs were also guilty. I didnt say we shouldnt stop it . I said we shouldnt have taken sides.

[Red Harvest]

Theres a big difference between helping someone oppose sovit accupation and stepping into a civil war where both sides ar equally guilty and taking the side of those who proven to be your enemy. It may not have occured to you I take it that Clinton came after we started helping in Afganistan.

So? Since Osama was in Afghanistan but a Republican was funding him that makes it different? The fight was still right in both cases. Doesn't mean that everyone behind it was a good person...in EITHER case.

Thats a matter of opinion. I say the Albanians were the aggressors. I gave you plenty of proof in the other thread. Again both sides were at fault. Its like us suddenly saying Israel is slaughtering Palestinians and bombing Israel.


Bull . Its going on as we speak but its the Albanians who are doing it and always have been. Yes the Serbs were also guilty. I didnt say we shouldnt stop it . I said we shouldnt have taken sides.

You can say what you want, but I've already read up on this. I do find it amusing now watching the spin doctors at work on it. The Serbian repression created an insurrection, and it helped drive the other states out as well. Had the Serbs done to you what they were doing to the Kosovars you would have been doing the same as the KLA.

The arguments you are using for Kosovo aren't much better than saying the Jews fighting in the Warsaw ghetto deserved extermination and were terrorists. The fight came from Serb nationalism trying to form a greater Serbia.