Results 1 to 30 of 82

Thread: Mc Carthyism another lie by the left.

Hybrid View

Previous Post Previous Post   Next Post Next Post
  1. #1
    Master of useless knowledge Senior Member Kitten Shooting Champion, Eskiv Champion Ironside's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2003
    Location
    Sweden
    Posts
    4,902

    Default Re: Mc Carthyism another lie by the left.

    Well, let me see if I get it straight, Mc Carthy made US aware of the Soviet infiltration threat, but also used the communist label to eliminate political enemies. Correct? That was then spread to a public witch-hunt on a lot of public people that didn't exactly was a threat (they were not Soviet spies or heavy Soviet sympathizers). Correct?

    AFAIK, the second part is what Mc Carthyism symbolizes.

    So the symbol and the actual figure isn't a 100% match. So what? That isn't exactly unusual, when it comes to symbols.

    And the thread has ended up here?
    We are all aware that the senses can be deceived, the eyes fooled. But how can we be sure our senses are not being deceived at any particular time, or even all the time? Might I just be a brain in a tank somewhere, tricked all my life into believing in the events of this world by some insane computer? And does my life gain or lose meaning based on my reaction to such solipsism?

    Project PYRRHO, Specimen 46, Vat 7
    Activity Recorded M.Y. 2302.22467
    TERMINATION OF SPECIMEN ADVISED

  2. #2
    Member Member bmolsson's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    Jakarta, Indonesia
    Posts
    3,029

    Default Re: Mc Carthyism another lie by the left.

    I think McCarthy was a closet communist. He acted so much as the homophobians these days.....

  3. #3
    Member Member sharrukin's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    Canada west coast
    Posts
    2,276

    Default Re: Mc Carthyism another lie by the left.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ironside
    Well, let me see if I get it straight, Mc Carthy made US aware of the Soviet infiltration threat, but also used the communist label to eliminate political enemies. Correct? That was then spread to a public witch-hunt on a lot of public people that didn't exactly was a threat (they were not Soviet spies or heavy Soviet sympathizers). Correct?

    AFAIK, the second part is what Mc Carthyism symbolizes.

    So the symbol and the actual figure isn't a 100% match. So what? That isn't exactly unusual, when it comes to symbols.

    And the thread has ended up here?
    What witch-hunt are you talking about?
    AFAIK the only political opponent Mccarthy associated with Communism was a guy endorsed by the Communist party. That was in 1946.

    The problem is that there is almost a total disconnect between what happened and the myth.
    "War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
    -- John Stewart Mills

    But from the absolute will of an entire people there is no appeal, no redemption, no refuge but treason.
    LORD ACTON

  4. #4
    Master of useless knowledge Senior Member Kitten Shooting Champion, Eskiv Champion Ironside's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2003
    Location
    Sweden
    Posts
    4,902

    Default Re: Mc Carthyism another lie by the left.

    Quote Originally Posted by sharrukin
    What witch-hunt are you talking about?
    AFAIK the only political opponent Mccarthy associated with Communism was a guy endorsed by the Communist party. That was in 1946.
    McCarthy found a cause. In February 1950, in Wheeling, West Virginia, he made the first of a series of claims that he had the names of "known communists" who were in the employ of the State Department. It was the beginning of a personal witch hunt for communists in the government that lasted for more than five years. McCarthy rarely provided any solid evidence to back up his claims, but in the political climate of the time his accusations and subsequent investigations nonetheless ended many a career and damaged a good number of lives.

    After winning re-election in 1952, McCarthy became chairman of the Permanent Investigations Subcommittee, a position he used to launch many of his investigations of government officials and agencies. He did not shy away from questioning the integrity of people such as George C. Marshall, or even President Eisenhower. The latter disliked McCarthy intensely but refused to "get in the gutter with him" and never denounced the senator publicly. However, by 1953 a seemingly out-of-control McCarthy was making many enemies. His investigation of the activities of an Army dentist, Maj. Irving Peress, eventually led to his downfall. In 1954, the Army launched its counterattack, charging that McCarthy was seeking preferential treatment for a consultant, David Schine, who in 1953 had been drafted into the Army. Eventually McCarthy's own subcommittee decided to hold hearings on the matter, the Army-McCarthy hearings. The televised hearings fully exposed McCarthy as irresponsible and dishonest. In December 1954, the Senate voted to censure him. McCarthy never repented, but he quickly descended into irrelevance and alcoholism. He died of a liver ailment in Bethesda, Maryland, on May 2, 1957, at age 47.
    From one of Redleg's sources.

    McCarthy is often incorrectly described as part of the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC), which is well known for the investigation of Alger Hiss which helped bring Richard Nixon into prominence. HUAC was established in May of 1938 as the "Dies Committee" before McCarthy was elected to the Federal office, and, being a House committee, had no connection with McCarthy who served in the Senate. In 1953, playwright Arthur Miller wrote The Crucible, an allegory for McCarthyism. This was probably the primary cause for Miller being brought before the House Committee on Un-American Activities in 1956.
    On the witch-hunt. Check out the HUAC...
    Another one of Redlegs sources. Both is on the first page.

    The problem is that there is almost a total disconnect between what happened and the myth.
    Not exactly uncommon. I suspect that it's because McCarthy made the red scare public (it seems so for me atleast), that caused the symbolisation.
    Last edited by Ironside; 07-29-2005 at 11:39.
    We are all aware that the senses can be deceived, the eyes fooled. But how can we be sure our senses are not being deceived at any particular time, or even all the time? Might I just be a brain in a tank somewhere, tricked all my life into believing in the events of this world by some insane computer? And does my life gain or lose meaning based on my reaction to such solipsism?

    Project PYRRHO, Specimen 46, Vat 7
    Activity Recorded M.Y. 2302.22467
    TERMINATION OF SPECIMEN ADVISED

  5. #5
    Feeding the Peanut Gallery Senior Member Redleg's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2001
    Location
    Denver working on the Railroad
    Posts
    10,660

    Default Re: Mc Carthyism another lie by the left.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ironside
    Not exactly uncommon. I suspect that it's because McCarthy made the red scare public (it seems so for me atleast), that caused the symbolisation.
    And in this statement I believe you have identified the gist of how the term came about and why only McCarthy is identified. The sad thing about the whole time period is that McCarthy was not the worst of them.
    O well, seems like 'some' people decide to ruin a perfectly valid threat. Nice going guys... doc bean

  6. #6
    Insomniac and tired of it Senior Member Slyspy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2000
    Location
    England
    Posts
    1,868

    Default Re: Mc Carthyism another lie by the left.

    Not the worst no, but the first so the name has stuck. If the witch hunts were his legacy then why try to whitewash him in the original article? It has very little relevance now and McCarthy seems to be nobody's hero (except to a certain confused individual who isn't aware that the US actually did "win" the Cold War.
    "Put 'em in blue coats, put 'em in red coats, the bastards will run all the same!"

    "The English are a strange people....They came here in the morning, looked at the wall, walked over it, killed the garrison and returned to breakfast. What can withstand them?"

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Single Sign On provided by vBSSO