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    I bet you were surprised to see me with a title like that huh?

    Anyway, here is another article for your perusal:

    Bush Bashing Fizzles By Michael Barone
    Wed Jul 27, 4:59 PM ET


    This summer, one big story is replaced by another--the London bombings July 7, the speculation that Karl Rove illegally named a covert CIA agent, the nomination of John Roberts to the Supreme Court, more London bombings last week. But beneath the hubbub, we can see the playing out of another, less reported story: the collapse of the attempts by liberal Democrats and their sympathizers in the mainstream media--the New York Times, etc., etc.--to delegitimize yet another Republican administration.


    This project has been ongoing for more than 30 years. Richard Nixon, by obstructing investigation of the Watergate burglary, unwittingly colluded in the successful attempt to besmirch his administration. Less than two years after carrying 49 states, he was compelled to resign. The attempt to delegitimize the Reagan administration seemed at the time reasonably successful. Reagan was widely dismissed as a lightweight ideologue, and the rejection of his nomination of Robert Bork to the Supreme Court in 1987 contributed to the impression that his years in office were, to take the title of a book by a first-rate journalist, "the Reagan detour." As time went on, as the Berlin Wall fell and Bill Clinton proclaimed that the era of big government was over, it became clear that Reagan was a successful transformational president--something the mainstream media grudgingly admitted when he died in 2004 after a decade out of public view.


    You think they'd learn. But for the past five years, the same folks have been trying to undermine the presidency of George W. Bush. The Supreme Court's decision in Bush v. Gore was denounced as an outrage, and Democrats noted, accurately, that Bush did not win a plurality of the popular vote in 2000. The nation rallied to his support after September 11, but Democrats held up his judicial and other nominations even if they had to violate Senate tradition to do so. Coverage of Bush during the 2004 campaign was heavily negative; for months the mainstream media mostly ignored the swift boat vets' charges against John Kerry and broadcast accusations against Bush based on forged documents eight weeks before the election. News of economic recovery in 2003 and 2004 was pitched far more negatively than it had been when Bill Clinton was president in 1995 and 1996.


    Now the unsupported charges that "Bush lied" about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq have been rekindled via criticism of Karl Rove. A key witness for the Democrats and mainstream media was former diplomat Joseph Wilson. Unfortunately for his advocates, he turned out to be a liar. A year after his famous article appeared in the New York Times in July 2003 accusing Bush of "twisting" intelligence, the Senate Intelligence Committee, in a bipartisan report, concluded that Wilson lied when he said his wife had nothing to do with his dispatch to Niger and Chairman Pat Roberts said that his report bolstered rather than refuted the case that Saddam Hussein's Iraq sought to buy uranium in Africa. So despite the continuing credulousness of much of the press, it appears inconceivable at this point that Karl Rove will be charged with violating the law prohibiting disclosure of the names of undercover agents. The case against Rove--ballyhooed by recent Time and Newsweek cover stories that paid little heed to the discrediting of Wilson--seems likely to end not with a bang but a whimper.


    Court intrigue. So, too, with the political left's determination to defeat Bush's first nominee to the Supreme Court. Democrats, with much help from the press, argued successfully in 1987 that Robert Bork was out of the mainstream and in 1991 brought up spectacular charges that cast a pall on Justice Clarence Thomas. They seem almost certain not to have such success against the obviously highly qualified John Roberts. They may try to argue that Roberts is "out of the mainstream." But the vote on Roberts's nomination to the appeals court was 14 to 3 in the judiciary committee. Who is in the mainstream now?


    The bombings and attempted bombings in London have brought home to the American public that we face implacable enemies unwilling to be appeased by even the most emollient diplomacy. Yet, mainstream media coverage of Iraq has been mostly negative. But mainstream media no longer have a monopoly; Americans have other sources in talk radio, Fox News, and the blogosphere. Bush's presidency is still regarded as illegitimate by perhaps 20 percent of the electorate. But among the rest, the attempt to delegitimize him seems to be collapsing.
    at http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnews/bushb...BhBHNlYwM5NjQ-

    I'm glad it is not just me, living in a box (i.e. no TV), that has seen this.

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    Re. the title. Bush bashing is stupid. I don't like a lot of the things he does, but I criticise things that are serious. Those who bash him for anything, no matter how frivulous only diminish the effect of the serious claims against him, which is stupid.

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    Clinton lies about banging a chick, he gets impeached."
    Well Clinton is a proven liar all you have against Bush is accusations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
    Well Clinton is a proven liar all you have against Bush is accusations.
    Clinton is a proven liar about is private life...

    Bush is a proven liar on military and state matters.....or are you still accepting the "fact" that iraq had WMDs?

    now you can pick and choose which one you think is worse.
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    Bush is a proven liar on military and state matters.....or are you still accepting the "fact" that iraq had WMDs?
    Now that is a lie. So you are the liar here not Bush.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
    Now that is a lie. So you are the liar here not Bush.

    do tell......

    still waiting for those massive stockpiles of WMD´s tough....

    oh were, oh were
    have those wmd´s gone
    oh were, oh were
    can they be?


    but he´s not a liar?....riiiiight
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    do tell......

    still waiting for those massive stockpiles of WMD´s tough....
    What has that got to do with anything. If what you claim could be PROVEN Bush would certainly be impeached. Dont hold you breath waiting because it aint going to happen. Again you need to check the definition of lying.
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    Gawain is right, for him to be lying he must have known that what he was saying is false. There may be a case for negligence, but I don't think there is one that he lied.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgb
    Gawain is right, for him to be lying he must have known that what he was saying is false. There may be a case for negligence, but I don't think there is one that he lied.
    ok...ok....not lying

    let´s see if i can come up with a better term.


    "alternative truth", uhm..let me think of another one..."veracity empaired"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube
    I agree that if you are going to bash him, it has to be something serious. Less "Bush is stoopid!" and more "Bush lied to congress and started a war--nothing happens. Clinton lies about banging a chick, he gets impeached."
    Well that's cause it's the USA where violence, destruction, and death are not only acceptable but recomended. But sex is dirty bad and evil and should never be spoken of in public.
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    Downing Street Minutes (www.afterdowningstreet.org)
    Once more if you could prove that Bush sent us to war under false pretexts then he could and should be impeaced. I dont see it happening.
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    Richard Nixon, by obstructing investigation of the Watergate burglary, unwittingly colluded in the successful attempt to besmirch his administration. Less than two years after carrying 49 states, he was compelled to resign.
    LOL! Poor Nixon, driven out of office by an unjust smear campaign.



    I'm not in favor of bashing, but I'm not in favor of hypocrisy either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
    What has that got to do with anything. If what you claim could be PROVEN Bush would certainly be impeached. Dont hold you breath waiting because it aint going to happen. Again you need to check the definition of lying.
    The only reason it's not hapening is that there were CIA "reports" saying that Iraq had WMD's, which were, how shall I say, enhanced by the administration, in order to start a war and so they make all the money money from the oil and war contracts. In my opinion that's not really lying either, because we'll never know for sure if Bush was in on the scam.


    But I mean there is some pretty unmistakable PROOF that he and Cheney are getting filthy rich from the war that they started for the wrong(as far as we are concerned) reasons. How does one reconcile with that? IMO that's reason enough to put them all in jail for crimes. Need I remind you that 1700+ americans are dead because of Bush's aledged f-up?!?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube
    As an American, i'll sorta agree with that.

    IMO, both should be acceptable. Wage war on our neighbors, and free porn for all.

    As a Canadian I'm down with that. Pass the ammunition and the porn mags this way.



    Also Bush will never go through the same shit that Clinton did as to use a french term Bush isn't cohabitating and Clinton was. The french say cohabitating when the president is of a different political party than the prime minister. And during Clintons impeachment the congress was controlled by the republicans
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube
    As an American, i'll sorta agree with that.

    IMO, both should be acceptable. Wage war on our neighbors, and free porn for all.

    Thats been my postion on our country my whole life
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    I don't see why anyone thinks George Bush is stupid.

    This guy was (according to the same people who like to call him stupid) able to mastermind a conspiracy on a previously unheard of scale to put himself in the Whitehouse despite not winning the most votes.
    And then he was able to win again!

    If George Bush is so stupid, all these supposedly intelligent people should be President of the Universe by now or something.
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    George W. Bush was thrilled at finally being able to spend his first night in the White House, but something very strange happened.
    On the very first night, he was awakened by George Washington’s ghost. Bush asked the ghost, “President Washington, what is the best thing I could do to help the country?”

    “Set an honest and honorable example, just as I did,” advised Washington.

    With all the excitement of the White House, Bush still couldn’t sleep well, and then, later on that night, the ghost of Thomas Jefferson moved through the dark bedroom. “Tom, what is the best thing I could do to help the country?” Bush asked.

    “Cut taxes and reduce the size of the government,” Jefferson answered.

    Bush still couldn’t sleep well, so much later, on the same night he saw another ghostly figure moving in the shadows.

    It was Abraham Lincoln’s ghost.

    “Abe, what is the best thing I could do to help the country?,” Bush asked.

    Lincoln replied, “Go see a play.”

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    George, Laura, and Jenna Bush are flying on Air Force One. George looks at Laura, chuckles and says, "You know, I could throw a thousand-dollar bill out the window right now and make someone very happy."

    Laura shrugs her shoulders and says, "Well, I could throw ten $100 bills out the window and make ten people very happy."

    Jenna says, "Of course then, I could throw one hundred $10 bills out the window and make one hundred people very happy."

    The pilot rolls his eyes, looks at all of them and says to his co-pilot, "I could throw all of them out the window and make 56 million people very happy."

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    George W. Bush recently went to a primary school in Sedgefield to talk to the children about the war. After his talk he offered "question time." One little boy put up his hand, and the President asked him his name.

    "Billy!"

    "And what is your question, Billy?"

    "I have three questions: First, why did the USA invade Iraq without the support of the UN? Second, why are you President when Al Gore got more votes? And third, whatever happened to Osama Bin Laden?"

    Just then the bell rang for lunchtime. George W. Bush informed the kiddies that they would continue after lunch.

    When they resumed, the President said, "OK where were we? Oh that’s right, question time. Who has a question?"

    A different little boy put up his hand and George pointed him out and asked his name.

    "Steve!"

    "And what is your question, Steve?"

    "I have five questions: First, why did the USA invade Iraq without the support of the UN? Second, why are you President when Al Gore got more votes? Third, whatever happened to Osama Bin Laden? Fourth, why did the lunch bell sound 20 minutes early? And fifth, what happened to Billy?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Al Khalifah
    I don't see why anyone thinks George Bush is stupid.

    This guy was (according to the same people who like to call him stupid) able to mastermind a conspiracy on a previously unheard of scale to put himself in the Whitehouse despite not winning the most votes.
    And then he was able to win again!

    If George Bush is so stupid, all these supposedly intelligent people should be President of the Universe by now or something.
    Oh come on now, Al Khalifah. Republicans are simultaneously insipidly stupid and malevolent masterminds of evil. Example? Ronald Reagan was the dumbest man ever born (or since the last Republican leader) yet simultaneously managed to secretly negotiate with the Iranian terrorists, while governor of California, mind you, and convinced them to hold the hostages for 3 extra months to win the election.

    Say what you want to about Republicans, at least they're consistent. Clinton was, is and always will be a dirtbag and dishonorable cur of the first order. Snappy dresser though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Corleone
    Oh come on now, Al Khalifah. Republicans are simultaneously insipidly stupid and malevolent masterminds of evil. Example? Ronald Reagan was the dumbest man ever born (or since the last Republican leader) yet simultaneously managed to secretly negotiate with the Iranian terrorists, while governor of California, mind you, and convinced them to hold the hostages for 3 extra months to win the election.
    You know it is interesting to look back. I was a child when Reagan was president and I knew little of politics. Yet, I knew from what I heard that the man was actually a blithering idiot who was probably incapable of tying his shoes. Honestly, the amount of spinning that went on back then was incredible. To me, at least, it speaks to the influence of the MSM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Al Khalifah
    I don't see why anyone thinks George Bush is stupid.

    This guy was (according to the same people who like to call him stupid) able to mastermind a conspiracy on a previously unheard of scale to put himself in the Whitehouse despite not winning the most votes.
    And then he was able to win again!

    If George Bush is so stupid, all these supposedly intelligent people should be President of the Universe by now or something.

    anyone that has head dubya speak for more than 5 minutes knows he is one of 2 things:


    1- a total moron
    2- the greatest actor on the world...because he can pull nº 1 perfectly 24/7

    i can´t really see any advantage that a smart guy could gain from playing dumb for so long(except to make the nascar dads like him) so i´m going out on a small limb and assuming nº1 is the truth.

    as for how he did all that...

    you think any presidential candidate or president do everything themselves?

    ever heard of publicists? speech-writers? puppeteers?(ups...vice-presidents..my bad)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin
    anyone that has head dubya speak for more than 5 minutes knows he is one of 2 things:

    1- a total moron
    etc...
    Well, to be honest, I can't speak in public either (good thing this is all written isn't it). So, if not being able to speak is the sign of being 'a total moron', time for me to join the Left Wing Club and get everything I'll ever need (decided for me by my intellecuamacal superiors from Ivy league skools [since as everyone knows, those graduates are some of the brightest minds in the world]). All I have to do is give up my rights to speak anything other than the party line, my paycheck (wait, since I'm a moron, can't I just go on welfare?), and any sense or right or wrong.

    Sweet, sign me up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azi Tohak
    Well, to be honest, I can't speak in public either (good thing this is all written isn't it). So, if not being able to speak is the sign of being 'a total moron', time for me to join the Left Wing Club and get everything I'll ever need (decided for me by my intellecuamacal superiors from Ivy league skools [since as everyone knows, those graduates are some of the brightest minds in the world]). All I have to do is give up my rights to speak anything other than the party line, my paycheck (wait, since I'm a moron, can't I just go on welfare?), and any sense or right or wrong.

    Sweet, sign me up!

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    YOU MORON!!!!

    Just kiddin. I don't know why, but ever since I played Vice City, that has become one of my favorite phrases (from where Lance Vance is yelling at the flunky who forgot to set the detonators on the bombs at the mall in 'Copland').
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    Plenty of propaganda in this thread. Not only is there the typical "bush is dumb" rhetoric, but you guys have worked in some anti-americanism in there too.. nicely done.

    #1

    Bush is a proven liar on military and state matters.....
    #2

    Well that's cause it's the USA where violence, destruction, and death are not only acceptable but recomended. But sex is dirty bad and evil and should never be spoken of in public.
    #3,4

    The only reason it's not hapening is that there were CIA "reports" saying that Iraq had WMD's, which were, how shall I say, enhanced by the administration, in order to start a war and so they make all the money money from the oil and war contracts. In my opinion that's not really lying either, because we'll never know for sure if Bush was in on the scam.


    But I mean there is some pretty unmistakable PROOF that he and Cheney are getting filthy rich from the war that they started for the wrong(as far as we are concerned) reasons. How does one reconcile with that? IMO that's reason enough to put them all in jail for crimes. Need I remind you that 1700+ americans are dead because of Bush's aledged f-up?!?!

    Bush constantly outplays liberals and it pisses them off. They tried the same hack job on Reagan and Bush 1. It never works, because most Americans realize liberal propaganda for what it is - BS. In fact, the only reason Clinton won wasnt because America wanted to turn to a democrat, but because Ross Pero split conservatives.

    Oh, and anyone who thinks public speaking is the bench mark for intelligence shows their own lack of it.

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    Not only is there the typical "bush is dumb" rhetoric, but you guys have worked in some anti-americanism in there too.. nicely done.
    Panzer where was I anti-american and where did I say that Bush is dumb? Seriously I just pointed out the FACTS. And the FACTS are that Bush has made more then 200,000,000 dollars(some documentery I saw on CBC) from the war contracts and building contracts. Not to mention Dick Cheney did trade with Iraq and Iran through the Cayman islands and is still profiting from that.


    Yeah!

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    Let's go easy on the personal insults, even as a joke...you know how I get.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince
    Panzer where was I anti-american and where did I say that Bush is dumb? Seriously I just pointed out the FACTS. And the FACTS are that Bush has made more then 200,000,000 dollars(some documentery I saw on CBC) from the war contracts and building contracts. Not to mention Dick Cheney did trade with Iraq and Iran through the Cayman islands and is still profiting from that.
    And you know what? You know what? I saw a documentary that Clinton eats live chickens! Wait...or was that Ozzie?

    Anyway, saying you saw something matters about as much as consulting with the local witch-doctor and then writing a post on here in blood. I want you to prove your accusations. (Or at least a reputable link to check out.)

    a la:

    http://www.providence.edu/polisci/st...h_profile.html

    http://www.mishalov.com/Clinton_IndefensiblePardon.html

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...135239_000.htm

    (Mmm..sleazy)

    But I don't mean this (which is actually funny and scary):

    http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com...background.htm

    http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/8425/CLINROCK.HTM

    http://www.republicanandproud.com/hysteria.htm

    http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/politics/clintondraft.asp

    (It is amazing what you can find when you type: bill clinton dirty money into yahoo.)

    My point is that you can make anything sound good. So now, prove this:

    But I mean there is some pretty unmistakable PROOF that he and Cheney are getting filthy rich from the war that they started for the wrong(as far as we are concerned) reasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azi Tohak
    And you know what? You know what? I saw a documentary that Clinton eats live chickens! Wait...or was that Ozzie?

    Anyway, saying you saw something matters about as much as consulting with the local witch-doctor and then writing a post on here in blood. I want you to prove your accusations. (Or at least a reputable link to check out.)
    Ok, gladly!

    link
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    THE UNAUTHORIZED BIOGRAPHY OF DICK CHENEY

    Watch it! It'll open your eyes to that beloved administration. Mark my words: one day if there is any justice in the world they will all be sitting in jail or be dead from execution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube
    There is rarely a trial where you have inconclusive proof. That's why we have juries, who decide based on the available evidence. And that's what the Senate does in an impeachment, IMO. Presidents have been impeached for less than this, and I have no doubt that if there wasn't so much corruption in the white house right now, he'd be out on his ass.
    Just a bit of historical fact - no President has ever been impeached. Two have been given an impeachment trails by the senate and accquited in 1868 and 1999- and one resigned before he could be impeached - 1973.

    http://www.impeach-andrewjohnson.com/

    http://www.historyplace.com/unitedst...ents/nixon.htm

    http://www.historyplace.com/unitedst...ts/clinton.htm
    Last edited by Redleg; 08-02-2005 at 12:42.
    O well, seems like 'some' people decide to ruin a perfectly valid threat. Nice going guys... doc bean

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