Nixon vs. Clinton

**Radier** · 08-01-2005, 16:24

You made that youselfe? It´s good

**xemitg** · 08-01-2005, 16:29

Very clever

**Gawain of Orkeny** · 08-01-2005, 16:44

For a moment, I thought you were going to try and say Clinton was comparable to Nixon.

Never. Bad as he was Nixon was far superior to Clinton. Lets see

Nixon
He ended the war in Vietnam
brought home the POW’s
ended the war in the Mideast
opened relations with China
started the first nuclear weapons reduction treaty
saved Eretz Israel’s life
started the Environmental Protection Administration.

Compare that to Clintons accomplishments. I cant thnik of any that he can in reality take credit for. Balancing the budget was because the republican congress forced him to . The economy isnt controlled by the president and besides was decling in his second term. He failed at camp David. He sold military secrets to China

The big diffrence I see between Tricky Dick and Slick Willy is that Nixon went down defending. wrongly I might add, those who served him while Clinton threw them to the wolves so he could escape.

**Gawain of Orkeny** · 08-01-2005, 17:03

The total BS that Clinton was not responsible for the upturn in economy never ceases to amaze me.

It seems your easily amazed then. The econmy trails the administration. Clinton inherited the Reagan - Bush economy. He raised taxes and in his second term his polocies statred to kick in and the economy statred to tumble. Bush inherited this and lowered taxes. In his second term his policies started to kick in and the econmoy recovered. Its pretty simple.

Why do the Republicans persist with that garbage? Is it to protect

Well not being a republican I cant speak for them. I guess all I can say is I go by the facts.

Is it to protect Bush's absolute destruction of our economy?

You think our economy is worse now than in 2000? You do need help.

**Gawain of Orkeny** · 08-01-2005, 18:07

It's worse than it was in, say, '98.

Is it? And again I point out that was during his first term. He was ridding the market bubble.

**Sasaki Kojiro** · 08-01-2005, 18:20

Nixon: Couldn't stop Kissinger. Clinton: Couldn't stop kissing her.

That's great

**Gawain of Orkeny** · 08-01-2005, 18:34

Market Bubble, Market Schmubble.

Oh yeah just write off the fact that it was a false economy.

What about the deficit?

We always run a defict during wars. Weve had much worse in the past. Ill give you I dont care much for Bush's spending programs. Might as well have a democrat in there are far as thats concerened. In fact we would probably be better off as then at least the republican congress wouldnt pass his bills. The economy though is going like gangbusters.

What about jobs?

The unemployment rate is lower than it was under Clinton. In fact it cant go much lower or we will have to start sending all these illega; immigrants back home. I dont understand how with an unemployment rate of only 5%, pretty much the lowest of any major industrialized nation, we need these people to work here if so many americans are looking for work and cant find it. The facts are there are more jobs out there than ever and it seems some claim more than we can handle.

and Oregon's minimum wage is comparativley high.

That explains your problem.

**Don Corleone** · 08-01-2005, 18:36

Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube

Market Bubble, Market Schmubble. What about the deficit? What about jobs? Maybe i'm just totally delusional, but it's damned hard to get a job around here. Housing costs are still ludicrous; Minimum wage won't pay for renting even the cheapest of houses in this city. It's not exactly Hollywood, either, and Oregon's minimum wage is comparativley high.

Housing costs are a function of local taxation. If you're finding it hard to pay rent or your mortgage, tell your local commissioners to quit taxing you or your landlord to death so that they can attend conventions in Hawaii.

Unlike most of my conservative brethren, I don't think Clinton was all that bad as a politician (as a man, I find him utterly dishonorable and contemptable). But this insane Democratic fantasy that Clinton was up late, working hard, and poof the economy took off, solely because of his efforts show just how ignorant of the US economy most Democrats are.

And if you would turn off the selective memory for a second, you'll remember that Democrats were deeply opposed to all the balanced budget requirements in 1994. One of the Democrats said "In 1964, the Democratic Party declared war on Poverty. And it sickens and disgusts me that here in 1994, the Republicans have declared War on the Poor".

I most certainly do not agree with the exorbitant defecits Bush & the Republican Congress have run up, but you can't blame them for the recession, when by all accounts, it began in the last quarter of Clinton's 2nd term.

The fact is, the Federal Government doesn't have anywhere near the control over the economy and unemployment as they'd like to have you believe.

Last & final crack... how can you be bitching about living in Oregon... isn't it the worker's paradise out there? What's more, do you have an X-box/Game Cube/PSII? Full cable? Can't be doing that bad...

**Gawain of Orkeny** · 08-01-2005, 18:51

Housing costs are a function of local taxation. If you're finding it hard to pay rent or your mortgage, tell your local commissioners to quit taxing you or your landlord to death so that they can attend conventions in Haw

Maybe its slipped past you but under Bush new housing and in fact the whole housing bussiness in general has really boomed. More Americans and higher percentage of them as well now own their own homes.

Unlike most of my conservative brethren, I don't think Clinton was all that bad as a politician

I and most conservatives think he was one of the best politicians ever. You wont get any argument from me on that.

**Don Corleone** · 08-01-2005, 18:51

You work 80 hours a week? Holy cow, Oregon really is expensive... I knew California was bad, but I didn't know it was the whole West Coast. Criminy, you need to move to Dixieland. Much, much cheaper down here. That's why I moved here, I wouldn't be able to afford my house if it was in New England, until shortly before retirement.

**Voigtkampf** · 08-04-2005, 16:54

Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube

Market Bubble, Market Schmubble.

Undisputable argument.

**Gawain of Orkeny** · 08-04-2005, 17:06

Wow what happened to his legacy. For a man many liberals hail as the greatest president in their lifetime it seems none of them can even come up with one great or even good thing he did.