The brittish muslims

**Radier** · 08-02-2005, 14:43

This has maybee been brought up before but I didn´t find a thread about it, so here we go: YouGov interviews brittish muslims (526 muslim adults).

* 6% think the britts deserved the bombs in 7/7.

* 24% symphatices with the bombings.

* 18% feel no loyalty at all with Brittain.

* 32% think "Western society is decadent and immoral and that Muslims should seek to bring it to an end"

* 1% said they could take to violence to bring down the western society. That may not seem much, but it is around 16 000 persons in Brittain alone.

* 27% would not call the police and warn if they found out someone is planning an act of terrorism.

* 53% would not call the police if an Iman spread hatred propagande against the west.

Theese numbers are frightening. Muslim extremists shall immediatly be sent out from Europe. In fact, I wouldn´t care if all the muslims where thrown out... They become more and more, and soon western Europe will be majority muslim to...

I say like the Checkian president Vaclav Klaus: A multicutural society feeds terrorism.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.../ixportal.html

**Sjakihata** · 08-02-2005, 15:12

Statistics... Im sure I could ask questions that would all have 100% in them or any number I wanted.

This inst really helpful, and quite far from reality I suspect.

Oh, and you my friend is a racist :)

**Ser Clegane** · 08-02-2005, 15:20

Please argue the issue - just calling people "racist" becomes inreasingly lame...

**Sjakihata** · 08-02-2005, 15:27

ha, I knew a mod would say it.. I also suspect that the mod would understand, but let me quote:

In fact, I wouldn´t care if all the muslims where thrown out...

While the poll only say low percentages, this guy wants all of them out = racist. To blame a few faults on an entire race.

**R'as al Ghul** · 08-02-2005, 15:34

Originally Posted by Sjakihata

While the poll only say low percentages, this guy wants all of them out = racist. To blame a few faults on an entire race.

I agree, but it seems en vogue recently to post racist comments.
Actually I expected this thread to be closed after your first response.

**Ser Clegane** · 08-02-2005, 15:46

Originally Posted by Sjakihata

While the poll only say low percentages, this guy wants all of them out = racist. To blame a few faults on an entire race.

I have to disagree with this interpretation. Actually Radier's statement seems to have more to do with xenophobia than with racism (i.e., he fears the impact that an increasing muslim population might have on the society in his country).
This is not necessarily the same as racism and I think that the careless use of the buzzword "racist" is counterproductive to meaningful and civilized discussions.

**Sjakihata** · 08-02-2005, 15:51

I agree, I perhaps misused the word. Maybe because I didnt know any other english word that covered what I meant.

But I certainly know this trend - political parties use scare figures and scare tactics to frighten the people - who in turn vote for said parties, since the offer a solution, throw 'em out. While this may not be racist in the old form, I still think it is connected with racism, ignorance and the fact that you are afraid, all in all a deadly combo. (Just look at the jews, back then... only offered as an example, nothing to do with the thread or its poster)

note to self: remember to use disclaimers more

**Radier** · 08-02-2005, 16:21

Originally Posted by Ser Clegane

I have to disagree with this interpretation. Actually Radier's statement seems to have more to do with xenophobia than with racism (i.e., he fears the impact that an increasing muslim population might have on the society in his country).
This is not necessarily the same as racism and I think that the careless use of the buzzword "racist" is counterproductive to meaningful and civilized discussions.

Increasing muslim population? Hell the most common name In Malmo is Muhammed!

They are allready to many... You can barely walk the muslim ghettos here without being robbed/beaten...

And Sjakihata don´t worry. I have been illegaly called a rascist before... Not that I see muslims as a race, but what do I, a stupid xenophobist, know? Whats wrong with questioning religions? If there where a religion in Africa for example saying we shall kill women, would I be a rascist if I criticised thet to? Just curious, you also think that christians are a race? And if we can´t rely on statistics made by a respectable newspaper, what then shall we trust?

Feelings?

I maybee over-reacted when a said all the muslims shall be thrown out, but deep inside I really wouldn´t have cared if they disappeared...

**R'as al Ghul** · 08-02-2005, 17:06

Originally Posted by Ser Clegane

I have to disagree with this interpretation. Actually Radier's statement seems to have more to do with xenophobia than with racism (i.e., he fears the impact that an increasing muslim population might have on the society in his country).
This is not necessarily the same as racism and I think that the careless use of the buzzword "racist" is counterproductive to meaningful and civilized discussions.

It seems I've overreacted here, too. (provoked by other posters of the recent past). I apologize.