disapointed with rtr, you are my last hope

[infierno]

rtr is nothing special, awful skins, the AoR is ..... the battles last the same of vanilla, a gallic swordsmen unit of 80 ROUTED with 65 guys still alive.... the custom battles units with docens of units available make the teams having no weakneses (imagine the online battles) no new animations for phlanx specially, no plahanx can stop even the weakest elepaht, and of course, no AI (darthmod) formation improvements, the new music is boooring...

BI seems to be a hell of arcade but has a patch and some new formations or little improvements

now, waiting EB specially after seen my country's iberian warriors i cant wait, and i still cant wait to your decisions of mod BI. and cant wait for BI to patch rtr and omg, i cant wait BI AND EB + patch

*do you hope the patch will improve AI and the game so much? it really needs it

is it true that CA is releasing 1.3 patch appart from BI? sooner o later?

[Smiley]

i think rtr 6.0 is pretty damn fun. They have improved a lot of things. I just miss playing as the britons ;(

[Divinus Arma]

RTR 6.0 is out? Ho hum.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

a gallic swordsmen unit of 80 ROUTED with 65 guys still alive

Hell of a lot more historical than whole armies fighting to the death. To my knowledge.

the new music is boooring

Then put the old back in. It can't be that hard.

The real difference between RTR and EB is the focus. RTR has more of a balanced focus, whereas EB has more of a focus on Barbarians.

I wouldn't be too sure of that. Look at some of the pretty non-barbarian previews.

[Malrubius]

Nothing good can come of this thread.

Alexander, you're pretty right as well as being pretty good.
We've also had complaints that we're too focused on the Hellenistic factions, so I guess we must be doing something right.

[Chester]

RTR 6.0 is damn good my friend. It's the best thing we got and a far cry from Vanilla.

The AOR is amazing. IT's the best feature i think.

The real difference between RTR and EB is the focus. RTR has more of a balanced focus, whereas EB has more of a focus on Barbarians.

Over 700 posts and your talking like a 1 poster here. EB has said numerous times that they are re-working every single faction. The previews are testamony. Take a look, all the faction have been tossed out the window and rebuilt.


Ok, sure, EB is going to be the best MOD. But RTR is a great MOD. I think many people thought it would be a different game altogether. I know I did, I read the home page news posting that said "no stone is left unturned". That is a bit far fetched, but the game is well designed.

The AI is smarter, calvary always goes for the flanks and suicide units are gone.

My only problem is the stupid animation for infantry while running.

[pezhetairoi]

Whoohoo, an EB convert. I haven't played RTR yet, there's something awful with the registry on my comp so i can't get it to work. But EB is definitely something you should try, that's for sure.

[caesar44]

[QUOTE=Gelatinous Cube]Eb There's way too many Barbarian Factions for my tastes; I personally think you could get by with 2 or 3.



Agreed .

[TheTank]

Eb is most definately barbarian-centric. I'm not saying they don't work on civilized factions too, but it's clear that they are giving priority to barbarians. There's way too many Barbarian Factions for my tastes; I personally think you could get by with 2 or 3.

RTR 6.0 is such a vast leap over 5.4.1 that it's not even the same mod. There's a new intro, new skins for every unit, new loading screens, new music, new everything. It's very impressive. I'm not going to get into an EB/RTR pissing contest (I plan on playing both), but anyone who plays RTW owes it to themselves to try this mod.

Dear Gelatinous Cube

Do you know that EB has removed one "barbaric" faction for a Hellenic one.
They have replaced Numidia with Bactria.
This action is not very barbaric centric from EB !

The case of 2-3 barbaric factions.
You can argue from a roman or hellenic centric point of view that the Germanic tribes,Britons and the Sarmatians where not very important because there was not much direct contact with these 3 barbaric groups and the Greek/Roman world during the time period that EB is using for this mod.
But from a gallic point of view the Germans where very important because the germans where very expansize force.
The Germans (and Dacia) where pushing the gauls from central europe and they where also very interested in Gaul...they did like to raid and invade gaul
The Britons where also very important for the gauls because they where kin, trade partners (Tin,Gold etc) enemies and allies..
The sarmatians where a very important force in eastern europe.
Sarmatians where greatly responsible for the dimise of the Scytians.
Removing the Germans,Britons, the Sarmatians and maybe also the Dacians wil make EB (allot) less realisticly if you are playing the Gauls because you don't have the presure from the Germans, Britons and Dacians and also important It will make playing a Barb faction very boring......

[Colovion]

Eb is most definately barbarian-centric. I'm not saying they don't work on civilized factions too, but it's clear that they are giving priority to barbarians. There's way too many Barbarian Factions for my tastes; I personally think you could get by with 2 or 3.

your comment is essentially saying:

"I feel that Race Car drivers pay way too much attention to making their cars fast. I mean we get it; you drive fast cars - now concentrate on something else."

This is a mod dealing with HISTORICAL ACCURACY. Historically Europe didn't merely have 2 or 3 'barbarian' tribes. They had many more than the EB mod is portraying, but the amount portrayed in the EB mod will be the most accurate representation possible for the limits the game allots to the modders. Priority to the barbarians? Hardly. How about a priority to History.

Telling a modding team which attempts to base their modding decisions on history to merely cut parts of history out because you don't feel it's warranted is absurd. Please realize this.

[King of Atlantis]

The real difference between RTR and EB is the focus. RTR has more of a balanced focus, whereas EB has more of a focus on Barbarians.

Actually EB has a very balnced focus, where as RTR seems to ingore the barbs almost as much as vanilla.

[bodidley]

Ignore? Nah, they get just the right amount of attention; as proper rebels, except for the few that actual did stuff important during the time period of 280 BC to 1 AD.

In that case, what did the Greek city-states do besides get conquered?

[Lord Tomyris Reloaded]

Well I think EB does it just right- historically! Their 'barbarians' are very aesthetically pleasing and will be fun to play with- they're also well researched and depicted correctly.

[King of Atlantis]

First off barbs have to be barbs.. It is hardcoded, plus the "barbarian" of the day werent as useless as you think. Their descedents managed to become the most influential force in modern time. Gaul was much more powerful at the time than the scatered city states. Infact i would like it if there were more barbs. A split between the aedui and averni would be nice and so woul illyria.

Eb is giving the barbs exactly what they deserve. If i made a ww2 mod and made sure to represent america would i be america centered?

Dont critize Eb for making the Barbarians historically accurate.

[bodidley]

It was the Successor States that shaped the world until they got conquered by the romans.

Aye, the Macedonian successor states, but what about those piddling little city-states?

[jerby]

well. I actually like RTR. just not in custom-battles (every faction can train every AoR unit->elephants, phalanxes, etc) so never mind online play.
the units are nice, really. but i'm still disapointed they had no Falcata's on the unit: falacata men . i'm just a sucker for those things. Also the germanians arent very nice. "framea men" as an example...Noble spearmen..another nice unit. and they have Siege:Total War in Greece
it's really a nice mod and i'm playing it until EB comes, but some things annoy me a bit.

[Kääpäkorven Konsuli]

The real difference between RTR and EB is the focus. RTR has more of a balanced focus, whereas EB has more of a focus on Barbarians.

BALANCED!? They focus to the some factions (Successors, rome) and don't give a shit to the another (Germanics, gauls...) and you say they have balanced focus.
Look at the EB prewiews, their every faction is historical. In RTR there is some historical factions, but many anhistorical too.
So which one has more balanced focus?

[Samurai Waki]

I still think the AoR is a neat feature!

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

The skins in RTR are beautiful, especially in the latest release and there is simply nothing wrong with them imo

[Teleklos Archelaou]

The real difference between RTR and EB is the focus. RTR has more of a balanced focus, whereas EB has more of a focus on Barbarians.

I know there were a lot of posts in response to yours GC, but I'd just like to say that I have some sympathy with the guys in Eb who keep complaining that we are spending too much time on the Hellenistic factions. Honestly, it seems like we've had a lot more guys who are interested in beefing up Hellenistic factions' descriptions, traits, etc. than we've had working on the barb ones. It's not to say that we don't have excellent people working on the barb ones, but it's just that more folks have been contributing to text and other conceptual improvements to the Hellenistic ones than we've had on the other side. Some of it is a bias inherent to ancient sources--we've got lots more info on the unique buildings for the east and Hellenic areas to be honest, so there will probably be more buildings there, but we've tried to add a lot to the other areas too whenever we see something that fits our time frame and was of some importance (and unique). From things like all new skins to thousands of new and detailed names to more accurate provinces to banners to unique buildings to new faction buildings, etc., we've got plenty of new improvement for the 'civilized' factions. Just can't wait to show them all to you!!

[Keyser]

I played a bit more to RTR, i quite like it. I like most of the skins, i like the aor (though it could be worked a bit more). I don't care that much about what the gauls really are or the greeks as those factions were an abstraction in vanilla too. They had to make some decisions given the limited number of factions available and it's they way they went. I agree galatia should rather have been a rebel province, but after all why say no to a generic "celtic" faction ? It's a choice.

However the moral seem indeed a bit low (but for the moment nothing exagerated). The same charge bonus for all cavalry while not that important in my eyes is indeed a bit lame and the aor units for all the factions in the multiplayer and custom battles is a wrong idea (they should have only let the aor units the factions used historically).

For the mercenaries, i don't know... I like using mercenaries even in vanilla and rtr 5.4 i used tons of them so i am maybe biased. But it's true there is quite a large variety available easily. On the other hand mercenaries were widely used historically...

For the parthians being able to use too much infantry, depend of their conquests, historically because they needed mobile army they didn't relyed on infantry but they could have raised lots of infantry from the subjugated peoples if they had wanted (much like the achemenid and the sassanid). So i don't see the problem.

[Chester]

For heaven sake. Given RTR some time. Patches will enhance it I"m sure, having said that-----Your armies to start off with are not all that good, therefore you're forced to retrain and keep units alive, so that later on they'll have enough experience and better weapon grade so that they CAN fight a long battle.

[Mongoose]

The real difference between RTR and EB is the focus. RTR has more of a balanced focus, whereas EB has more of a focus on Barbarians.

Have you played EB? the team has stated many times that they will focus as much on other factions as the "Barbarians".

I can criticize all I please. A mod is no good without criticism. I've already said I plan on playing it, but it helps nobody for you to shout "Heretic!" when someone dislikes a particular aspect of the mod.

You can criticize all you want, no one is debating that. How ever, you criticism is based on ignorant guessing...not facts.

[Steppe Merc]

The real difference between RTR and EB is the focus. RTR has more of a balanced focus, whereas EB has more of a focus on Barbarians.

Hah, no.
We focus on everything that was there in history equally, because every group of people was important. And there is no such thing as barbarians, it's an imaginary concept made up by Romans and Greeks.

[jerby]

Hah, no.
We focus on everything that was there in history equally, because every group of people was important. And there is no such thing as barbarians, it's an imaginary concept made up by Romans and Greeks and CA.

[Steppe Merc]

Well no, since CA didn't make it up, as it was around for a while. They just used what already existed.

[Mongoose]

I think you guys should just be happy the CA didn't name the gauls "central barbs" and the casse "north barbs"

[Birka Viking]

I think that RTR is pretty good. But when EBs beta come out I will play that insted..

[Chester]

Hopefully CA will release a patch that comes prior to BI, one that fixes the lame AI, that way EB will benefit from it.

[jerby]

wouldn't get high hopes if i were you."release a patch with variable unit speeds, ebtter AI, fixed bugs, new functions." little chance. CA will want you to buy their products. so all 'new stuff' will be for teh XP. i guess...

my hopes are for you, my guess is against.