disapointed with rtr, you are my last hope

[Little Legioner]

I think EB shall make a better solution about on your points Infernio. They are developing this mod for more than one year that makes them a specialist over RTW dynamics. I believe they make their best in the coding limits of RTW.

In the other hand i don't expect too much core improvement for BI by the CA side. They declared it several times before such as this messages. I've pickep up from two of them in FAQ section:

Q: What do you think about to do for tightening the tactical deepness of the R: TW BI besides swimmable units and night battles?

A: Many aspects of the AI for battles has been worked on since RTW was published, and we think you'll find it gives you a better game. Then again, the cynics out there would expect us to say that, but short of making this an essay there's not a lot more to say other than it ahs been worked on.

Q. Will the battle model be :Fast battles, flat grounds, high kill rates, close armies, small map(with red line-Current RTW style) or: Long battles, non-flat grounds, slow kill rates, far armies, bigger map (without red line-old TW series style).
A.The basic battle game won't change that much; this is an expansion, not a re-imagining of RTW.

[infierno]

wasnt it supposed to make battles last more? the best roman and gaul forces, (units of 80 guys) running with 65 still alive is not a great step forward

other reasons seen in their forums:

roman skins sux, all different colours

this game could be called PHALANX WARS 6.0 (too many phalanx)

heavy cavalry heavy uderpowered, specially the charge

trarri can kill, better than phalanx ,all cavalry

heavy cavalry cant kill even non-speared cheap infantry units

[Keyser]

roman skins sux, all different colours

Actually i like their roman, the feathers could have used a different pattern, but otherwise i think they are fine.

this game could be called PHALANX WARS 6.0 (too many phalanx)

Many nations fought in phalanx... You can't ignore that for the sake of gameplay. And nobody forces you to use phalanx, i had good results with army with lots of light inf.

heavy cavalry heavy uderpowered, specially the charge

trarri can kill, better than phalanx ,all cavalry

heavy cavalry cant kill even non-speared cheap infantry units

That i don't know, i didn't tested a cavalry charge alone for the moment. My cavalry always routed the ennemy but the moral was the main factor, not their effectiveness. I will check.

[infierno]

those are forums opinions, not all mine :)

anyway, in what BATTLE DIFFICULTY do you play?

[infierno]

my own complains are

music

Mass routing early in battle still occurs...I thought one of the aims of 6.0 was to balance the unit stats better to make this stop? (3 minutes stting up, 3 minutes battle 5 minutes killing routers)

custom battles and internet battles with all the mercenaries make no weaknesses on factions

some skins...........

cavalry underpowered



another forum opinion: You right, now upgrade of city buildings is not necessary lots good mercenaries with beter experiences than country unit aviable in everywhere, all temples give the same efect it is not funy..., Unfortunately after this changes the game lose climate


i repeat you are my last hope

[khelvan]

Please try to avoid any comparisons between mods here, especially since none of you (including the closed beta testers) have seen what EB really has to offer yet.

On focus - EB is attempting to give the peoples of the period who had the opportunity to become great their due. This includes those that DID become great (the Romans, for instance) and those that were conquered.

It is up to the player to decide the course of history. Will great nations be destroyed and relegated to near obscurity, as they were in history? Or will they instead make their mark as a lasting civilization?

In this respect, we focus on those nations that attempted to conquer the world, or at least parts of it, and try to make each of them as historically accurate as possible. We do not want to force history to repeat itself (i.e. the same civilizations always win, and others are always shown as bumps in the road) but rather to set the table so that the player may decide the course of history based on initial parameters (and perhaps a few nudges in the first few years).

We're not "focused on barbarians," we give all people equal weight in our research. The Romans and Greeks were not the only civilizations that had power or culture in the period.

They were merely the victors.

[infierno]

what i must say is: EB "SEEMS" to be much more prepared and organized, with a very very pre-organized objetives: what we whant to make? with time and order

rtr is a small mod that has raised with less orders and with non-linked ideas

always with the word "SEEMS" but this is my opinion, after playing 6.0 i pray for a patch 6.5 to fix this if posible

next step is BI with 7.0

our final stop is EB

[Chester]

How can any one say that RTR, CA, or EB pander to any faction? It's the way it was for the most part. CA is guilty of spending too much time on Rome and nobody else, but CA was banking on the fact that we would playing nothing OTHER than Rome.

As far as EB paying more attention to the Barbarians... Have you seen Backtira? Have you seen Makedonia? Those previews are beautiful. All the previews look great.

EB oringially started off as a Barbarian mod. CA's generic "barbaian calvary, warbad etc.." was to bland and incorrect. It made the barbarians out to be some two-bit culture, where in fact they were quite vibrant!

[Wishazu]

@ Infierno, for starters, your not supposed to charge your cavalry into a prepared infantry unit, regardless of whether they have spears or not, cavalry allways needed to be supported by infantry or it was doomed. as to the amount of phalanx units, the phalanx was still the dominant tactical formation in this time period even a couple of centuries later Ceasar remarked on Germanians fighting in a "phalanx formation"

[Shaun]

well i really like RTR, and dont see why anyone who likes EB wont like RTR as they are both Historical acurracey mods!

[Chester]

When EB comes out a sect of people will piss all over that mod as well. There will probably be a few bugs here and there and things will get tweaked a bit in future patches.

I think RTR launch for 6.0 was more of a success than a failure. Some new formations, sound mod, and fixing of minor bugs will make that game great.

It saddens me that people give it so much hell. MAXIMUS I has gone out of his way, in just about every post of his, to tell people that he is upset with 6.0 and that he is NOW playing SPQR, because he enjoys SPQR.

Reporting bugs and glitches is one thing, comparing mods and proclaiming that you're going to ignore one of them is a bit childish.

[Copperhaired Berserker!]

RTR will not be played by me, especially having bouis attacking EB and defending RTR.

[Revelation]

Hey, at least RTR is available. EB is still in the "wow, looks great" stage and has been since the dinosaurs.
I'm beginning to thing the "countdown" thread is the game!

[Teleklos Archelaou]

Hey, at least RTR is available. EB is still in the "wow, looks great" stage and has been since the dinosaurs.
I'm beginning to thing the "countdown" thread is the game!

Was somebody talking here? Looks like it's been almost three days since RTR was being discussed (and in a civil manner I might add, till...).

[Revelation]

Nothing un civil about my post mate. Just stating facts. Yes EB looks great. It's just not out yet. RTR is and it's a huge step up from vanilla.
No RTR vs EB here.
It is no secret EB has been in development for bloody ages.
So get off your high horse Tel.
Touchy touchy!

[Teleklos Archelaou]

So get off your high horse Tel.
Touchy touchy!

Hey, at least it's much easier to spot trolling posts from up here.