disapointed with rtr, you are my last hope

[Spitful]

Im playing RTR 6 right now its brillaint- DIE REBEL SCUM for the glory of ROme! Sorry got carried away.
Cant wait for ROMA 6.0 Bouis if it goes like 5.5 it going to be sweet.
I for onwe will be playing both

[Greek_fire19]

First of all I love RTR, I think it's a great mod given what was possible in RTW.

I think the main reason it was greeted with disappointment in some quarters was the unrealistic expectations of many fans.
After months of tireless work a lot of people were expecting something totally new and unfamiliar, whereas when they started it up...new map, new units, new stats, new recruitment system...but same old RTW under the bonnet, same as it ever was.

The problem for EB is that actually, even though your map is even better, your units even prettier and your recruitment system even more refined (probably) along with a host of unique buildings, new campaign map graphics etcetcetc.....it's still gonna be RTW, and a lot of it is going to be very very familiar, so i think EB (which is probably even more highly anticipated) is doomed to a mixed reception, NO MATTER HOW GOOD IT IS, just because some people have built it up in their minds to something it can never be within the confines of RTW.

I'm not a modder though, so you're welcome to prove me wrong

[jerby]

Are you crazy?! They should work harder to finish EB ffs, and you ask them to "play??!!

yeah indeed. I take it back: keep modding lazy scum! teh emre fact you'r reading teh forums here meanbs you should be modding!!!

na, just kidding...

as for *berserker. c'mon it's about teh mod, not the people...and bouis is not a monster. Face it, even Bouis is gonna try EB when it comes out ( i guess, since he dwells these forums)

[Copperhaired Berserker!]

Well, Jerby, I wouldn't buy a game that 5 year olds enjoy, because it's gonna be cheesy. And I wouldn't play a mod from people who acted like 5 year olds towards EB, the mod I actually wanna be playing, and simply I don't like the mod. I tryed it and I thought,"This is as rubbish as Vanilla!"and uninstalled it. I think Eb will beat RTR a hundred times over. I think Bouis was terrible in the way he treated EB. And me.also, bouis, try and insult me for this post, and Barocca is gonna hear from it, as I already PMed him a few times.

I'm not insulting the modders from RTR that behaved and didn't be vicious towards EB and SPQR. It's just I hate seeing a mod dissing another mod in a terrible way. Bouis was terribly behaved as well.

[khelvan]

I am installing rtr6 as I write this. I could not help but notice a few EB team members in the team acknowledgements including.... khelvan?

Well, way back when Gaius Julius and I decided to form a team together to create an historical accuracy mod. This only lasted a few weeks, but it is worth noting that I was a member of RTR before ZaPPpa, you could say a founding member.

I didn't realize I had made it to the credits, though. That is nice of them.

[jerby]

I tryed it and I thought,"This is as rubbish as Vanilla!"and uninstalled it.

that is the part i didnt know. I want you to know i completly agree with you concerning Bouis' behavior. But it would be very jugdemnetal to condem a Mod by the action of 1 person.

khelvan, that's nice of them. when was it you were an RTR member? what went wrong?

[Fabolous]

Well, way back when Gaius Julius and I decided to form a team together to create an historical accuracy mod. This only lasted a few weeks, but it is worth noting that I was a member of RTR before ZaPPpa, you could say a founding member.

I didn't realize I had made it to the credits, though. That is nice of them.

It was my idea. You were a founder of RTR and I have a thing for history, which people might have noticed...

[King of Atlantis]

wow khelvan i never knew you were a founding member. Thats kinda wierd

[Simetrical]

It was my idea. You were a founder of RTR and I have a thing for history, which people might have noticed...

I'm pretty sure I saw Tyr say he wanted khelvan in the credits for 6.0 before you ever joined RTR.

-Simetrical

[Birka Viking]

I think that RTR is pretty good. But when EBs beta come out I will play that insted..

[Chester]

Hopefully CA will release a patch that comes prior to BI, one that fixes the lame AI, that way EB will benefit from it.

[jerby]

wouldn't get high hopes if i were you."release a patch with variable unit speeds, ebtter AI, fixed bugs, new functions." little chance. CA will want you to buy their products. so all 'new stuff' will be for teh XP. i guess...

my hopes are for you, my guess is against.

[Fabolous]

I'm pretty sure I saw Tyr say he wanted khelvan in the credits for 6.0 before you ever joined RTR.

-Simetrical

Really? He was not put in until the second to last run through when I suggested him. Then again they had also forgotten Gaius Julius...

[caesar44]

Rtr is better than the original game by any standard - that is the bottom line for me !!!

[Chester]

I think the truth in the matter is that people dismissed 6.0 way to early. I'm well enough into my game now that I've enjoyed great battles, suprises, set backs, and above all a vastly new experience with AOR. IT gives new motivation for conquering foreign lands.

I just recently installed darth formation 6.6 ontop of RTR 6.0 (was able to continue my saved game too) and battles have gotten a lot better because of it.

[caesar44]

I think the truth in the matter is that people dismissed 6.0 way to early. I'm well enough into my game now that I've enjoyed great battles, suprises, set backs, and above all a vastly new experience with AOR. IT gives new motivation for conquering foreign lands.

I just recently installed darth formation 6.6 ontop of RTR 6.0 (was able to continue my saved game too) and battles have gotten a lot better because of it.

Please explain about darth 6.6

[Chester]

The AI :

-no longer sends in single units to attack your front but attacks as one big army

-missle troops are guarded by heavy infantry or cavalry, so you must breach the infantry prior to hitting missles, also AI is much smarter using slingers and archers when YOU'RE defending one end of a bridge

-Calvary trys to out flank you

-Since armies attack as one, morale lasts longer so AI is much more challenging.

THE BAD NEWS-

Formation buttons are a bit screwed, so you now have to manuelly make straight lines and all that. WHich is a bit of a bastard.

[Spitful]

THey still work for me except that the sound for phalanxes formation still says Cavalry First Three Lines which is weird

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Because he can't change the formation name - that should be in the documentation some where.

[Steppe Merc]

The real difference between RTR and EB is the focus. RTR has more of a balanced focus, whereas EB has more of a focus on Barbarians.

Hah, no.
We focus on everything that was there in history equally, because every group of people was important. And there is no such thing as barbarians, it's an imaginary concept made up by Romans and Greeks.

[jerby]

Hah, no.
We focus on everything that was there in history equally, because every group of people was important. And there is no such thing as barbarians, it's an imaginary concept made up by Romans and Greeks and CA.

[Steppe Merc]

Well no, since CA didn't make it up, as it was around for a while. They just used what already existed.

[Mongoose]

I think you guys should just be happy the CA didn't name the gauls "central barbs" and the casse "north barbs"

[jerby]

hoplites could have been named: greek spearmen in formation.
seleucids: western greeks
parthians: never mind, they already fucked those up
egypt: dotn get me started..

[Mongoose]

jerby, might want to edit part of your post


hoplites should be "guys with spears"

[jerby]

yeah, Guys, Dude, Blokes. soemthing liek that.
see the new unit profile?
http://www.totalwar.com/community/spearman.htm
weirdly, the description talks baout spear+shield..
absolutly nothing historicall in teh desciption

[Dux Corvanus]

CA's Egyptians are wrong. They don't walk like Egyptians, you know:

[Mongoose]

Now CA just needs the priest to be more like the one's from monty python(sp?!)

[caesar44]

[QUOTE=Chester]The AI :

-no longer sends in single units to attack your front but attacks as one big army

Sounds great !!!

[jerby]

CA's Egyptians are wrong. They don't walk like Egyptians, you know:

i already see an entire army of those blokes marching