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  • Tradition (holy books ...)

    19 29.69%
  • Vision (mystic way)

    10 15.63%
  • Mind (philosophic way)

    17 26.56%
  • Authorities (preachers, mullahs, parents ...)

    9 14.06%
  • Observations (from nature to God)

    15 23.44%
  • Pah, I am God

    10 15.63%
  • There is no way

    14 21.88%
  • Well, the moderators ...

    9 14.06%
  • gah

    14 21.88%
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    Dragonslayer Emeritus Senior Member Sigurd's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Franconicus
    All the topics about life, God, life after daeth, souls ... are very important to everyone, I guess. But it is really hard to get relyable information.
    What do you think is the way to get trustable information?
    It is not easy to get correct information (note that I am not saying true) because of enmity between religious and non-religious, between sects or denominations and across faiths. In addition to that are the many degrees of maturity/understanding of individuals in the different faiths.
    The questions you have are more or less directed at religion and should be answered by religion.
    The way I got information was going to the different denominations in question and ask. It is however important to verify the answers especially if the answers are opinions of individuals (ref: maturity and understanding). The best way is to get official pamphlets and or official books.
    The worst thing you can do is to get information about the Catholics from the Protestants and vise versa. The likelihood of getting incorrect information is quite high.
    Go to the source.
    That being said it is nearly an impossible task to get a complete overview of one of the topics you mention. Just within Christianity you could spend a lifetime just to compile definitions of God.

    [edit]: I didn't notice this was a poll...
    I have never experienced the supernatural of religions and hence must rely on what I can read and answers I get to my questions.
    The combination of book sources and learned men in the form of scholars and teachers are probably the best way to gather information.
    Last edited by Sigurd; 08-04-2005 at 13:21.
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    I am God.
    GARCIN: I "dreamt," you say. It was no dream. When I chose the hardest path, I made my choice deliberately. A man is what he wills himself to be.
    INEZ: Prove it. Prove it was no dream. It's what one does, and nothing else, that shows the stuff one's made of.
    GARCIN: I died too soon. I wasn't allowed time to - to do my deeds.
    INEZ: One always dies too soon - or too late. And yet one's whole life is complete at that moment, with a line drawn neatly under it, ready for the summing up. You are - your life, and nothing else.

    Jean Paul Sartre - No Exit 1944

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    I just open the fridge. There it is, as reliable as it can get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAG
    I am God.
    Get out of my fridge!





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    I am not an Islam preacher nor do I want to touch so sensitive veins but in one thread, I guess Don Corleone had briefly said that and I'd like to repeat it by explaining it a bit more : Kur'an (Qoran the way you call it) is the absolute words of God written by Qatips immediately after Hz. Muhammed was revealed the phrases of Kur'an. If you may neutrally get interested in thsi subject, you may have a look at it.

    However, if you are "memorized" to be religious of a religion - e.g. by your parents . This faith usually collapses by some time in your life. The true fatih thrives in your heart after you deeply think about the God. That is not about "What's the meaning of life?" crap since it does not even worth asking. This is about understanding the life that reveals the path to faith.

    So, holy books which are far from being changed, deep thinking and observations are key elements to know more about God, IMO.

    But I want to emphasize that there may be arguments between believers and non-believers, as it is already commited. So I request from all friends here to discuss the subject without humiliating each other's beliefs. I am a deep believer and would be pleased to know about the self-rational claims of non-believers, if any.

    One quote from a Turkish writer, I guess, about the religion :

    "Put religion away where it belongs.. Between you and the God, not elsewhere.."
    Last edited by LeftEyeNine; 08-04-2005 at 13:55.

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    What do you mean by reliable information? Is it the official version of God you are after or do you want to know the background of the religion? In other words is it the book you are interested in or the sources behind the book.


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    I do not discuss the attributes of God nor if there is a God or a Nirwana, or if Christians are right or Muslims.
    The question is what are the sources we can use and how reliable are they.
    If you say that tradition or holy books are a good source then I agree. However there are many different and they do not all say the same thing.

    If there is a God (whatever that is) and is somehow in connection with us then there should be the chance to get at least some information.

    I know that in Middle Age there were Christions who chose the mystic way and others who have a more intelectual approach. Even others relied on the authorities.

    Even if you do not believe that there is a kind of God, how do you get this point of view?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeftEyeNine
    I am not an Islam preacher nor do I want to touch so sensitive veins but in one thread, I guess Don Corleone had briefly said that and I'd like to repeat it by explaining it a bit more : Kur'an (Qoran the way you call it) is the absolute words of God written by Qatips immediately after Hz. Muhammed was revealed the phrases of Kur'an. If you may neutrally get interested in thsi subject, you may have a look at it.

    However, if you are "memorized" to be religious of a religion - e.g. by your parents . This faith usually collapses by some time in your life. The true fatih thrives in your heart after you deeply think about the God. That is not about "What's the meaning of life?" crap since it does not even worth asking. This is about understanding the life that reveals the path to faith.

    So, holy books which are far from being changed, deep thinking and observations are key elements to know more about God, IMO.

    But I want to emphasize that there may be arguments between believers and non-believers, as it is already commited. So I request from all friends here to discuss the subject without humiliating each other's beliefs. I am a deep believer and would be pleased to know about the self-rational claims of non-believers, if any.

    One quote from a Turkish writer, I guess, about the religion :

    "Put religion away where it belongs.. Between you and the God, not elsewhere.."

    Isn´t that just a disguise for the problem? How do you know Muhammed is a reliable source? How do you know his source was reliable?

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    Die.

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    [demonic voice] God is dead, talk to me again in 100 years when I have reached the stage of uberman and self proclaimed 'angel of death' [/demonic voice]



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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
    Die.
    damn it! you beat me to it.
    Quote Originally Posted by JAG
    Well you know, I have been busy.
    i want a refund!
    Last edited by Big_John; 08-04-2005 at 17:09.
    now i'm here, and history is vindicated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A.Saturnus
    Isn´t that just a disguise for the problem? How do you know Muhammed is a reliable source? How do you know his source was reliable?
    Religion is basically uninquirable acceptance. You accept the existence and unity of God without questioning it, and relying every aspect of life (the nature, fate, deeds, the happy hours you have with your beloved ones or the tormenting times in hospital etc.) on him.

    As long as Muhammed's existence as a Godsent prophet was the most recent one, he showed many miracles to prove his prophecy and unlike the others, his words were directly turned into written form, I find him reliable.

    I am not implying other religion's being false or something. I only say that Muhammed, Kur'an and Islam have the all to explain about God.

    BTW, I am not an "imposed" believer. I can feel Allah's existence myself. That's just personal, nothing to explain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeftEyeNine
    Religion is basically uninquirable acceptance.
    That´s not an answer to my question. The reliability of something may influence whether you believe it, but whether you believe it doesn´t influence reliability.
    Were Muhammed´s miracles any better than David Copperfield´s? But even if, that would still not make his source reliable. You should consider the possibility that should God tell you something directly, it might still be wrong.
    That you feel God´s existence might be reason enough for you, but it is still not a reliable source, even for you. Feelings can be misleading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeftEyeNine
    "Put religion away where it belongs.. Between you and the God, not elsewhere.."
    In all my time in the Backroom, I don't know if I have ever seen words as wise as that. If everybody in the world did it that way, think of all the pain that would be avoided...

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    God appearing meant he is physical and you should be able to whip out your camera or camcorder to record the phenomenon.

    Metaphysical God ----> Physical universe ---> can be detected Physical Human being (yes, according to religion).

    Metaphysical God ----> Physical universe---> cannot be detected by Physical Science. (no, according to the same religion).

    If you are going to say God is sending messages to Physical Human Beings then you can't exclude Physical Science out of it. Because both use the exact, same Physical Universe!

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    I ask GWB. If hes not available I ask Nav.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quietus
    God appearing meant he is physical and you should be able to whip out your camera or camcorder to record the phenomenon.

    Metaphysical God ----> Physical universe ---> can be detected Physical Human being (yes, according to religion).

    Metaphysical God ----> Physical universe---> cannot be detected by Physical Science. (no, according to the same religion).

    If you are going to say God is sending messages to Physical Human Beings then you can't exclude Physical Science out of it. Because both use the exact, same Physical Universe!
    There may be a coexistance of physics and methaphysics. Human beings could be both, part of them is physical part of them is mp. Your soul, for example. Then God could communicate with your mp part.
    Another possibility is that physics is just the part of the world that we know. And metaphysics is the part we know + all the rest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAG
    I am God.
    So you are responsible for all this ...

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    chicken burger and chips from an indian take away in my town - the best ever, especially with salad

    now thats God!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Franconicus
    So you are responsible for all this ...
    Well you know, I have been busy.
    GARCIN: I "dreamt," you say. It was no dream. When I chose the hardest path, I made my choice deliberately. A man is what he wills himself to be.
    INEZ: Prove it. Prove it was no dream. It's what one does, and nothing else, that shows the stuff one's made of.
    GARCIN: I died too soon. I wasn't allowed time to - to do my deeds.
    INEZ: One always dies too soon - or too late. And yet one's whole life is complete at that moment, with a line drawn neatly under it, ready for the summing up. You are - your life, and nothing else.

    Jean Paul Sartre - No Exit 1944

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    I put other because I didn't know you could enter multiple answers. I would say scripture and prayer.
    "A man who doesn't spend time with his family can never be a real man."
    Don Vito Corleone: The Godfather, Part 1.

    "Then wait for them and swear to God in heaven that if they spew that bull to you or your family again you will cave there heads in with a sledgehammer"
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAG
    I am God.
    hmm that means there is more then one god, seeing as I am the God of Wisdom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lazul
    hmm that means there is more then one god, seeing as I am the God of Wisdom.
    Let's hear some fn wisdom then!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince
    Let's hear some fn wisdom then!
    you want wisdom!? You Cant Handle The Wisdom!

    ... oh and dont run with knifes.
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    God damn it, I was looking for some wisdom and all I got was truism.

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    Im sorry, but the day i will meet him.I wont be typing here to tell you guys.
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