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    Default Any links on history of Satanism?

    As the titles says.
    Links on Necronomicon are welcome ( though it hard to belive anyone will do it )
    P.S. I am not satanist.

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    Default Re: Any links on history of Satanism?

    Why do you ask?

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    I had this idea for a long time just interested in the topic.
    As for me read :
    extras from Necronomicon ( at least it was told so );
    Anton La Vai ( sp? ).

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    This guy has a Frequently-Asked-Questions style of giving info on that topic. Quite an easy and informative read, with links to deeper sources.
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    If you're speaking about the Necronomicon from the Cthulhu Mythos, it was been invented by H.P. Lovecraft. This book, aswell as many other books that appear in a novel related to the Ancients and Great Ancients (De Vermis Mysteris, Cult of the Undead, the Unhausprigen Culten (sp?) were created by the writters.

    Anyway, check wikipedia : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanis...gious_Satanism
    Last edited by Meneldil; 08-04-2005 at 19:20.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meneldil
    If you're speaking about the Necronomicon from the Cthulhu Mythos, it was been invented by H.P. Lovecraft.
    Anyway, check wikipedia : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanis...gious_Satanism
    Nope, but thanks anyway.

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    I've met people who actually believe that the Necronomicon exists or did exist. They are completely unable to accept that it was invented entirely by H.P. Lovecraft to give depth to his stories, in much the same way that Tolkien concocted a massive background for his stories. Even shown proof, their ears cease to hear and their eyes glaze over. Arguing with true believers is always an exercise in futility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aenlic
    I've met people who actually believe that the Necronomicon exists or did exist. They are completely unable to accept that it was invented entirely by H.P. Lovecraft to give depth to his stories, in much the same way that Tolkien concocted a massive background for his stories. Even shown proof, their ears cease to hear and their eyes glaze over. Arguing with true believers is always an exercise in futility.
    Yep, but it sure is fun to get them riled up!
    (True believers of any kind that is)
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    Quote Originally Posted by yesdachi
    Yep, but it sure is fun to get them riled up!
    (True believers of any kind that is)
    Indeed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aenlic
    I've met people who actually believe that the Necronomicon exists or did exist. They are completely unable to accept that it was invented entirely by H.P. Lovecraft to give depth to his stories, in much the same way that Tolkien concocted a massive background for his stories. Even shown proof, their ears cease to hear and their eyes glaze over. Arguing with true believers is always an exercise in futility.
    Just to get clear - I am NOT satanist, as was said above, all I wanted were some books, also about Necronomicon - I heard about it - maybe there is the book which is not connected with Lovecraft and that book, you mentioned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IliaDN
    Just to get clear - I am NOT satanist
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    Quote Originally Posted by IliaDN
    Just to get clear - I am NOT satanist, as was said above, all I wanted were some books, also about Necronomicon - I heard about it - maybe there is the book which is not connected with Lovecraft and that book, you mentioned.
    But as for your orginial question - not about the Necronomicon - but Satanism. A google search using the term Satanism will bring up mutliple hits.


    Well as far as everything I have ever read - the book Necronomicon was made up by Lovecraft - and used by other writters to give a little more depth to their stories.

    However you could be thinking about this type of web site and the information that they wish to have people believe

    http://www.digital-brilliance.com/ne...ecron.htm#What

    The Necronomicon of Alhazred, (literally: "Book of Dead Names") is not, as is popularly believed, a grimoire, or sorcerer's spell-book. It was conceived as a history, and hence "a book of things now dead and gone". An alternative derivation of the word Necronomicon gives as its meaning "the book of the customs of the dead", but again this is consistent with the book's original conception as a history, not as a work of necromancy.

    The author of the book shared with Madame Blavatsky a magpie-like tendency to garner and stitch together fact, rumour, speculation, and complete balderdash, and the result is a vast and almost unreadable compendium of near-nonsense which bears more than a superficial resemblance to Blavatsky's The Secret Doctrine.

    In times past the book has been referred to guardedly as Al Azif , and also The Book of the Arab. Azif is a word the Arabs use to refer to nocturnal insects, but it is also a reference to the howling of demons (Djinn). The Necronomicon was written in seven volumes, and runs to over 900 pages in the Latin edition.
    http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/9879/lurker.htm

    If the Necronomicon legend continues to grow, people will end up believing it and accusing me of faking when I point out the true origin of the thing!
    -- H.P. Lovecraft (cited in Harms and Gonce, 47).
    The author here claims that Lovecraft made fact into fiction. Its somewhat an interesting read because of this arguement.

    If you read the articles and then think about them a little - one can come to two different conclusions.

    That the Necronomicon is indeed a fiction made up by Lovecraft by using several different myths and fables to form a basis for some of his horror books.

    Or that the Necronomicon was was written in Damascus in 730 A.D. by Abdul Alhazred. (Which is the source quoted in Lovecraft's Books).

    Its a vicous little cycle that those who want to believe in the existance of such a book - can not fanthom or ackownledge.
    Last edited by Redleg; 08-11-2005 at 19:15.
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    THANKS!
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    Oh, I wasn't calling you a Satanist, IliaDN. My apologies if it seemed that way. I was just remarking on the dogmatism which attends belief in the accuracy of the book. I've met people who claimed with absolute certainty that Miskatonic University in Arkham, Massachusetts, which Lovecraft claimed had a copy of the book, actually existed in New England, even though it doesn't, nor does Arkham.

    A telling fact is simply that the Necronomicon, as it exists in real book form, has no publish date earlier than the 1970's. That should tell you something. As a reading intensive child in the 1960's and a teenager in the 1970's, I can speak to the fact that Lovecraft's popularity became widespread during this time, with his stories and books appearing in many paperback editions, as well as those of others in his circle, such as August Derleth and Robert Bloch. The horror genre was just getting started and gaining mass appeal. Someone took advantage of that and published a book called the Necronomicon and the gullible soon snapped it up.
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    Well, i'm far from being an expert on the matter, but i believe there are 2 kinds of satanism: the true satanism as a religion and the "perverted" one. The difference is that the religion of satanism advocates there is a god, but this god is evil and wants the destruction of the world, whereas in all other religions (christian, muslim, budhist etc) the god is good and wants to save the world. I think Nitche (sp) was a satanist, in that, he believed god was evil, whereas, Goethe was an atheist (didn't believe in god).
    Now, the more fascinating form of satanism, is the "perverted", where things go a bit ugly. It's what most ppl think when they hear the word. U know, killing chickens and all that voodoo stuff. I don't believe the second form has dedicated believers, just kids who want to show off by pretending they call the spirits of the dead.
    Anyway, i think the religion of satanism is the 3rd largest in the state of California. If someone knows more and feels i've made any mistake, please correct me, as i said i don't really know that much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IliaDN
    Just to get clear - I am NOT satanist, as was said above, all I wanted were some books, also about Necronomicon - I heard about it - maybe there is the book which is not connected with Lovecraft and that book, you mentioned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amazon77
    Well, i'm far from being an expert on the matter, but i believe there are 2 kinds of satanism: the true satanism as a religion and the "perverted" one. The difference is that the religion of satanism advocates there is a god, but this god is evil and wants the destruction of the world, whereas in all other religions (christian, muslim, budhist etc) the god is good and wants to save the world. I think Nitche (sp) was a satanist, in that, he believed god was evil, whereas, Goethe was an atheist (didn't believe in god).
    Now, the more fascinating form of satanism, is the "perverted", where things go a bit ugly. It's what most ppl think when they hear the word. U know, killing chickens and all that voodoo stuff. I don't believe the second form has dedicated believers, just kids who want to show off by pretending they call the spirits of the dead.
    Anyway, i think the religion of satanism is the 3rd largest in the state of California. If someone knows more and feels i've made any mistake, please correct me, as i said i don't really know that much.
    1.If you want some basics about satanism - read La Vey ( he is easy to read IMHO );
    2.Chickens, cats, hanged children it is for diabolists ( sp? ).
    Last edited by IliaDN; 08-12-2005 at 14:55.

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