obsolete?

**Kagemusha** · 08-06-2005, 23:02

I think that problem with bodyarmor versus knife is that a modern bodyarmor doesnt cover the places where soldiers are thought to hit their knives in hand to hand fighting.plates cover the chest and the back.But doesnt cover the soldiers sides,throat,armpits and the groins(spelling).If it would cover all these areas,it would slow down the soldier too much.But maybe we see full bodyarmors made from fibers in future again.

**Uesugi Kenshin** · 08-06-2005, 23:58

Good point Kagemusha.

I will try to find some info on modern body armor tonight, if I find anything I will post links.

**Uesugi Kenshin** · 08-07-2005, 00:51

http://people.howstuffworks.com/body-armor1.htm

http://www.military.com/soldiertech/...Armor,,00.html

These are two great links for info on both modern soft armor and modern hard armor. Unfortunately they do not mention knives, a form for some people's militia thing claimed they would not, but despite the fact that I agree with it I am not posting it because I have no idea what those people are about and they had no backing for their claims.

Kagemusha apparently the best armor that the US Army is now issuing has a detachable groin protection piece, so at least that one critical area should be better protected from bullets, blades and shrapnel than we thought.

Both sites mention new harder and lighter weight fibers that will eventually replace Kevlar and perhaps ceramics, they might lead to full body protection.

**Colovion** · 08-07-2005, 01:00

things are only obsolete by improvements

a gun which can put out 10 rounds a minute will be replaced by one which can put out 20 rounds a minute, if all other things are equal

likewise how an iron sword was put to the wayside when steel swords were developed
they were still used - but when you get your arm chopped off because the steel sword broke your iron sword... those watching aren't going to want to use Iron much longer lest their arms be cleaved as well.

**Kagemusha** · 08-07-2005, 01:27

Originally Posted by Uesugi Kenshin

http://people.howstuffworks.com/body-armor1.htm

http://www.military.com/soldiertech/...Armor,,00.html

These are two great links for info on both modern soft armor and modern hard armor. Unfortunately they do not mention knives, a form for some people's militia thing claimed they would not, but despite the fact that I agree with it I am not posting it because I have no idea what those people are about and they had no backing for their claims.

Kagemusha apparently the best armor that the US Army is now issuing has a detachable groin protection piece, so at least that one critical area should be better protected from bullets, blades and shrapnel than we thought.

Both sites mention new harder and lighter weight fibers that will eventually replace Kevlar and perhaps ceramics, they might lead to full body protection.

Thanks for the info Kenshin.

**Uesugi Kenshin** · 08-07-2005, 03:11

No problem Kagemusha.

I'm going to do some more searching for info on body armor versus knives, hopefully I will have another link or two to post later.

**Uesugi Kenshin** · 08-07-2005, 04:12

Some info on how vests are stab proofed. This proves that vests with solid plates are stab proof (where the plates are) and fabric (kevlar) vests can be stab proofed as far as a vest can be bullet proofed for the most part.

http://www.firstdefense.com/html/Sta...ceSupplies.htm