Could the Supreme Court embrace incest?

**Red Harvest** · 08-06-2005, 02:31

Originally Posted by Alexander the Pretty Good

Can they marry?

Only if they are homosexuals...and only then in certain states.

Sorry, couldn't pass that one up.

**Gawain of Orkeny** · 08-06-2005, 02:32

Is incest itself against the law or just incestous marriage?

**Proletariat** · 08-06-2005, 02:35

http://www.soc.ucsb.edu/sexinfo/?article=law&refid=009

Incest laws prohibit sexual activity between family members.

Fwiw. It is UC.

**Strike For The South** · 08-06-2005, 05:08

Ive seen pepole whove married there 1st 2nd cousins (nothing servere as the sister mind you) and they are some of the most backwards pepole you can find They shouldnt be allowed to marry because there offspring probaly will have gentic defectes and if we do find a way to elimanate that there children will still have severe social defects.

**A.Saturnus** · 08-06-2005, 18:43

Isn´t there some asymmetry between incest and homosexuality? As far as I know, it is currently entirely legal for a man in the US to have sex with another man. But it is not legal to have sex with a sibling. The matter has no reference to gaymarriage, only to homosexual acts. Who of you say that homosexual acts should be illegal? If you think homosexual acts should be legal, than this argument against gay marriage falls apart.

**Red Harvest** · 08-06-2005, 19:48

Originally Posted by A.Saturnus

Isn´t there some asymmetry between incest and homosexuality? As far as I know, it is currently entirely legal for a man in the US to have sex with another man. But it is not legal to have sex with a sibling. The matter has no reference to gaymarriage, only to homosexual acts. Who of you say that homosexual acts should be illegal? If you think homosexual acts should be legal, than this argument against gay marriage falls apart.

Until 2003, sodomy was still a crime in some U.S. states, particularly Virginia and Idaho which did not distinguish between hetero or homo sodomy. Texas sodomy law was limited to homosexual sex and was overturned by the Supreme Court by a 6-3 vote in 2003 which invalidated all of the sodomy laws I believe. Most states had repealed theirs in the '60's and 70's. I think there are still laws on the books making homosexual and heterosexual sex illegal, but they can no longer be enforced since they have been stricken down.

Oral sex was technically illegal under many statutes.

**ichi** · 08-06-2005, 21:37

From the Avert site Prol cited

Estimated adult and adolescent HIV diagnoses in 2003 by exposure category
Exposure category Male Female Total
Male-to-male sexual contact 14,532 - 14,532
Injection drug use 3,189 1,628 4,817
Male-to-male sexual contact and injection drug use 1,224 - 1,224
Heterosexual contact 4,041 6,942 10,983
Other/risk not identified 168 163 331
Total 23,153 8,733 31,886

male/male 14,532 hetero 10,983, or essentially 3/2. Sorry, but HIV is spread by sexual contact, both homo and heterosexual contact. The difference is one of degree.

According to this homosexulaity should be outlawed. Its a fact that homosexulas are more likely to die early and contract certain ailments. Don is right making incest against the law is just as unconstitutional as making homosexuality is. This is the slippery slope in US law. If you are going to make an exception for one then sooner or later your going to have to make one for the others.There is no compelling reason to favor homosexuals over incestous people.

An odd position for a Libertarian to take, that government can outlaw behavior that increases our personal risk or decreases our longevity. Smoking, driving in cars, cell phones, doughnuts, all make us die earlier and contract certain ailments.

and I know you don't support big nanny guv. Incest has been shown to reduce vigor and increase disabilities in offspring. This has the effect of a direct adverse impact on innocents. Homosexual behavior between consenting adults does not. So, there is a compelling reason to make rational distinctions between the two groups.

The problem of health care is really one of the unintended consequences of socialism. We are all paying into the pool, but what role does govenrment have in determining strictures on behvior?

Essentially religious conservatives loath homosexuality because God is alleged to have forbidden it. They can't find a legitimate reason to condone government intrusion into the lives of citizens to enforce their particular brand of morality, so they resort to guilt by association, lumping homosexually with pedophilia, incest, bestiality, and the funniest, necrophilia.

ichi