Big Byzantine Infantry

**BAD** · 08-07-2005, 17:12

Originally Posted by Ironside

Hmf... My morale 14 saracen inf broke, and they wasn't even flanked. I mean 98% losses is nothing

LMAO!!! Though I remember some of my housemates Boyar's getting to Morale 33??!!?!

**antisocialmunky** · 08-07-2005, 17:35

Well, handgunners shooting and charging at something at 50% health is almost a guarantied rout.

**Del Arroyo** · 08-08-2005, 06:26

The one game where I had some Byz Infantry, from a bribed rebel army, I put them into battle at the center of my line, and the friggin Katanks charged them and routed my entire army

Since then I haven't had much respect for them.

DA

**antisocialmunky** · 08-08-2005, 17:03

Gotta love that 0 morale.

**EatYerGreens** · 08-09-2005, 20:05

Originally Posted by antisocialmunky

Gotta love that 0 morale.

Heh heh! You have to find ways to work around it too, adding to the challenge. Like keep the general close by them at all times...

The description parchment says they are Heavy Infantry, IIRC, but the Tech Tree classes them as Medium Infantry, alongside the likes of Gallowglasses, Clansmen, CMAAs. I suspect this is their correct classification. The unit size of 100 is probably meant to reflect their ancestry in the Ancient Roman empire and the century being their standard unit size.

The poor morale is an Achilles' heel but I think they needed to be handicapped in this way, otherwise the larger unit size would make them overpowering relative to the other MedInf types, which are mostly 60 men (@ default size), therefore upsetting the game balance. A human Byz player would be left with less of a challenge and an AI Byz faction would just storm the map and become so rich as to be near impossible to stop, humiliating the human player in the process. Negative gaming experience tends to cause the thing to be put away on the shelf...

**m52nickerson** · 08-09-2005, 22:17

I've never had that much problem with morale 0 troops. I use Halberdiers as my front line troops all the time (I hate spears). As long as you keep a high morale unit close to them and protect there flank you should be fine.

**Ironside** · 08-10-2005, 07:34

Originally Posted by m52nickerson

I've never had that much problem with morale 0 troops. I use Halberdiers as my front line troops all the time (I hate spears). As long as you keep a high morale unit close to them and protect there flank you should be fine.

I suspect that your halbs got a few moral bonuses from buildings. It's a huge difference between 0 morale and 2+ morale. Try some costum battles and see for yourself.