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    Well, here we go again.

    What is your *general* political persuasion?

    Economically right, socially right: You believe that government should stay out of your wallet as much as possible. You also believe that it is the government's responsibility to establish social values. Examples: George W. Bush. Christian Conservatives.

    Economically right, socially left: You believe that government should stay out of your wallet as much as possible. You also believe that the government has no business establishing social values. Examples: Howard Stern. Libertarians.

    Economically left, socially left: You believe that it is the government's responsibility to redistribute wealth to those with less. You also believe that the government has no business establishing social values. Examples: Michael Moore. Democrats

    Economically left, socially right: You believe that it is the government's responsibility to redistribute wealth to those with less. You also believe that it is the government's responsibility to establish social values. Examples: Stalin. Communists.
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    "Economically right, socially left: You believe that government should stay out of your wallet as much as possible. You also believe that the government has no business establishing social values. Examples: Howard Stern. Libertarians."

    That is how I would have definated myself.

    Just a notice. What seems to be socially left in America is socially right in Sweden. Any Swedes here who agree?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Radier
    "Economically right, socially left: You believe that government should stay out of your wallet as much as possible. You also believe that the government has no business establishing social values. Examples: Howard Stern. Libertarians."

    That is how I would have definated myself.

    Just a notice. What seems to be socially left in America is socially right in Sweden. Any Swedes here who agree?
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    I am a liberal socialist, which in effect means I am socially and economically of the left, I would assume.
    GARCIN: I "dreamt," you say. It was no dream. When I chose the hardest path, I made my choice deliberately. A man is what he wills himself to be.
    INEZ: Prove it. Prove it was no dream. It's what one does, and nothing else, that shows the stuff one's made of.
    GARCIN: I died too soon. I wasn't allowed time to - to do my deeds.
    INEZ: One always dies too soon - or too late. And yet one's whole life is complete at that moment, with a line drawn neatly under it, ready for the summing up. You are - your life, and nothing else.

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    Social issues have no bearing on my political leaning. Frankly, I can't understand why people care so much about establishing social sides, because (at least in my opinion) an impending economic crisis or a war is just a little more important than whether or not we should let people indulge in sodomy.

    To answer your question a little more precisely than I did on the poll, I am economically left, and socially who-gives-a-goddamn.

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    I put right for both I believe the goverment should set some moral standards but not many And yes no goverment handouts and low taxes
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    Im economically right because i think our industry should be competitive.
    Socially im left because i think we should also take care of our less fortunates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kagemusha
    Im economically right because i think our industry should be competitive.
    Socially im left because i think we should also take care of our less fortunates.
    No see. You seem to be confused my friend. You are either for the business owner or for the slave, er.. I mean... "employee".

    By giving handouts to crackwhores and derelicts, we must tax those who work hard. This in turn means that they are less competitive. You identified two contrasting economic issues and then supported both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Divinus Arma
    No see. You seem to be confused my friend. You are either for the business owner or for the slave, er.. I mean... "employee".

    By giving handouts to crackwhores and derelicts, we must tax those who work hard. This in turn means that they are less competitive. You identified two contrasting economic issues and then supported both.
    You seem to think the situation so clear cut and simplistic. It is not.

    Much like your descriptions of your poll options, they are very simplistic when it isn't like that.

    To think that because a government wants to give every hard working person a decent, fair and reflective wage means business cannot be competitive, then you are barmy.
    GARCIN: I "dreamt," you say. It was no dream. When I chose the hardest path, I made my choice deliberately. A man is what he wills himself to be.
    INEZ: Prove it. Prove it was no dream. It's what one does, and nothing else, that shows the stuff one's made of.
    GARCIN: I died too soon. I wasn't allowed time to - to do my deeds.
    INEZ: One always dies too soon - or too late. And yet one's whole life is complete at that moment, with a line drawn neatly under it, ready for the summing up. You are - your life, and nothing else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAG
    You seem to think the situation so clear cut and simplistic. It is not.

    Much like your descriptions of your poll options, they are very simplistic when it isn't like that.

    To think that because a government wants to give every hard working person a decent, fair and reflective wage means business cannot be competitive, then you are barmy.

    You should be paid according to your skill, talent, and performance.

    Should we pay a fast-food worker the same as an Executive?
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    It depends what, where and how effective both the fast food worker and executive is.

    But again you are thinking far too sterotypically simple. I do not pretend that people will be paid the same, notice how I stated that I believe people should get a fair and decent wage, not equal wages.
    GARCIN: I "dreamt," you say. It was no dream. When I chose the hardest path, I made my choice deliberately. A man is what he wills himself to be.
    INEZ: Prove it. Prove it was no dream. It's what one does, and nothing else, that shows the stuff one's made of.
    GARCIN: I died too soon. I wasn't allowed time to - to do my deeds.
    INEZ: One always dies too soon - or too late. And yet one's whole life is complete at that moment, with a line drawn neatly under it, ready for the summing up. You are - your life, and nothing else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAG
    It depends what, where and how effective both the fast food worker and executive is.

    But again you are thinking far too sterotypically simple. I do not pretend that people will be paid the same, notice how I stated that I believe people should get a fair and decent wage, not equal wages.
    Well then there you go. Everything is working out just fine. The unskilled wretches are being paid for their easily replaceable menial labor. Meanwhile, the hard working upper class are getting what they deserve for generations of committed performance.

    And the vast majority of us in the middle can all find a decent living wage by making ourselves more valuable as assets: either through performance, talent, or education and skills.

    I'm happy to announce that we have come to an agreement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Divinus Arma
    Well then there you go. Everything is working out just fine. The unskilled wretches are being paid for their easily replaceable menial labor. Meanwhile, the hard working upper class are getting what they deserve for generations of committed performance.

    And the vast majority of us in the middle can all find a decent living wage by making ourselves more valuable as assets: either through performance, talent, or education and skills.

    I'm happy to announce that we have come to an agreement.
    This is pretty much what i stated before.So my friend it seems if we are both pretty confused.
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    Sigh - yes, of course we have come to agreement.

    However yet again, I have to comment on how simple minded you are being when approaching issues, things are far more complex than you seem to realise / want to realise.

    Anyway, I am glad - as we are seemingly agreed on everything economical - that you think minimum wages, 90% top rates of tax, increased trade union strength and redistribution of income are great ideas. I never met a so called Conservative who has had such views, you Divinus Arma, are one of a kind.
    GARCIN: I "dreamt," you say. It was no dream. When I chose the hardest path, I made my choice deliberately. A man is what he wills himself to be.
    INEZ: Prove it. Prove it was no dream. It's what one does, and nothing else, that shows the stuff one's made of.
    GARCIN: I died too soon. I wasn't allowed time to - to do my deeds.
    INEZ: One always dies too soon - or too late. And yet one's whole life is complete at that moment, with a line drawn neatly under it, ready for the summing up. You are - your life, and nothing else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kagemusha
    This is pretty much what i stated before.So my friend it seems if we are both pretty confused.
    Not at all. Government should stay the hell out of as much as possible. If you want something, then earn it. Nobody should get a leg up from the government just for squirting out of a birth canal. I care about my own children, not the children of tyquandra-laquisha the crackwhore.

    And that is what the left does, economically. Let's take your money away from you and give it to someone who didn't work his butt off to earn it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Divinus Arma
    Not at all. Government should stay the hell out of as much as possible. If you want something, then earn it. Nobody should get a leg up from the government just for squirting out of a birth canal. I care about my own children, not the children of tyquandra-laquisha the crackwhore.

    And that is what the left does, economically. Let's take your money away from you and give it to someone who didn't work his butt off to earn it.
    Ill 2nd that
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    You should study about Scandinavian economys.We pay high taxes and our government gives some of it to "Crack Mothers" and their babies.But we are still not poorest of countries.My personal tax percent is almost 40%,so i dont support this kind of system because im dependant on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAG
    Sigh - yes, of course we have come to agreement.

    However yet again, I have to comment on how simple minded you are being when approaching issues, things are far more complex than you seem to realise / want to realise.

    Anyway, I am glad - as we are seemingly agreed on everything economical - that you think minimum wages, 90% top rates of tax, increased trade union strength and redistribution of income are great ideas. I never met a so called Conservative who has had such views, you Divinus Arma, are one of a kind.
    And likewise I am glad that you believe minimum wages should be suppressed as much as possible; that the lazy shouldn't catch a break for breathing; that the wealthy can redistribute their wealth through investments, business ownership, and purchases rather than taxes; and that overpaid labor unions interfere with the flexibility that is critical to remain competitive in a global economy where barriers to market entry have disappeared in many industries.

    Jag, you aren't so bad for a socialist after all, you old stinker you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Divinus Arma
    Not at all. Government should stay the hell out of as much as possible. If you want something, then earn it. Nobody should get a leg up from the government just for squirting out of a birth canal. I care about my own children, not the children of tyquandra-laquisha the crackwhore.

    And that is what the left does, economically. Let's take your money away from you and give it to someone who didn't work his butt off to earn it.
    Sigh... Reckon you could fill us in a bit more on that without harping back onto well trodden sterotypes - again?
    GARCIN: I "dreamt," you say. It was no dream. When I chose the hardest path, I made my choice deliberately. A man is what he wills himself to be.
    INEZ: Prove it. Prove it was no dream. It's what one does, and nothing else, that shows the stuff one's made of.
    GARCIN: I died too soon. I wasn't allowed time to - to do my deeds.
    INEZ: One always dies too soon - or too late. And yet one's whole life is complete at that moment, with a line drawn neatly under it, ready for the summing up. You are - your life, and nothing else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kagemusha
    You should study about Scandinavian economys.We pay high taxes and our government gives some of it to "Crack Mothers" and their babies.But we are still not poorest of countries.My personal tax percent is almost 40%,so i dont support this kind of system because im dependant on it.
    That sucks. Here, if I work really really hard, I will actually get a better life for my family.

    What did Churchill say? "The flaw of capitalism is inequal wealth. The flaw of communism is the equal distribution of misery." Sounds about right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Divinus Arma
    And likewise I am glad that you believe minimum wages should be suppressed as much as possible; that the lazy shouldn't catch a break for breathing; that the wealthy can redistribute their wealth through investments, business ownership, and purchases rather than taxes; and that overpaid labor unions interfere with the flexibility that is critical to remain competitive in a global economy where barriers to market entry have disappeared in many industries.

    Jag, you aren't so bad for a socialist after all, you old stinker you.
    Wow, isn't this sad and childish - and I am equally to blame.

    Anyway, it is a bit different than the other million 'political persuasion' threads we have had, including the one that was started 2 days ago - did you miss it?

    Regardless, people at least know where I stand already.
    GARCIN: I "dreamt," you say. It was no dream. When I chose the hardest path, I made my choice deliberately. A man is what he wills himself to be.
    INEZ: Prove it. Prove it was no dream. It's what one does, and nothing else, that shows the stuff one's made of.
    GARCIN: I died too soon. I wasn't allowed time to - to do my deeds.
    INEZ: One always dies too soon - or too late. And yet one's whole life is complete at that moment, with a line drawn neatly under it, ready for the summing up. You are - your life, and nothing else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Divinus Arma
    That sucks. Here, if I work really really hard, I will actually get a better life for my family.

    What did Churchill say? "The flaw of capitalism is inequal wealth. The flaw of communism is the equal distribution of misery." Sounds about right.
    As i stated we are not poor.And not Communist we Finns arent the number one fans of communism.But i cant never convince you about that ,can i?
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    Economically gah and socially left.

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    From the options I would have to say that I am on the left, both economically and socially.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kagemusha
    As i stated we are not poor.And not Communist we Finns arent the number one fans of communism.But i cant never convince you about that ,can i?
    Do you know why your country isn't poor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Proletariat
    Do you know why your country isn't poor?
    The main historical reason would be that many of our ancestors died protecting this country from Soviet Unions attack.Otherwise our state would be the same as ex Eastern block countries whose economys was destroyd by communism.Another one was that after WWII Finland had to build up huge industry to pay enermous War compensations to Soviet Union.The Marshall aid helped us also,like many other European Countries.Third reason would be,thanks to the babyboomer generation that created a government funded education system,what allowed anyones kids to have a good education.That was essential to create businesses like Nokia or Kone and our highly developed forest industry.
    Since the forests are our only natural resources we have to put effort on our human resources.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Divinus Arma
    And likewise I am glad that you believe minimum wages should be suppressed as much as possible; that the lazy shouldn't catch a break for breathing; that the wealthy can redistribute their wealth through investments, business ownership, and purchases rather than taxes; and that overpaid labor unions interfere with the flexibility that is critical to remain competitive in a global economy where barriers to market entry have disappeared in many industries.
    Whoa... wait... is this a joke?! I really, REALLY hope you aren't that numb to everything and everyone around you. Otherwise you might be living inside a wall. If you have ever worked a goddamn day of manual labor in your life, and heard about all the bulls**t that goes up top to prevent "redistribution" of wealth, you will realise how little bearing your statements have on reality.

    To begin: very few people work more than others. The only lazy people I know of are the rich, and the unemployed who can't get a job- and they are a VERY tiny minority. When it comes to earning your money, it is the people at the top who are the worst at taking money they don't deserve.

    Here are a few examples, from the construction company I have been working my last two summers at:

    The head of the electric sub-contractor has, on multiple occasions, signed into work, then promptly taken the day off to go golfing. It happened so many times that finally one of his head electricians lost his patience, and started signing him out after he left. Taking days off to golf is common practice amongst the heads of both the main construction contractor and their sub-contractors.

    There were no raises for two years running at the main company. However, there was no evidence that profits were falling; the VP's just wanted more cash for their salaries.

    The foreman on the crew I have been on was hired from the outside. He was not required to go through the year-long Foreman's school, or take the test. He is entirely incompetent; he does not lead the jobs he is on at all, he does very little work, he comes in late and leaves early every day, the leadman has to bail him out every time he does a serious job, and he has blown his drug test twice. Yet as much as the superintendant hates him, he cannot fire him because one of the VP's- the truly hated one- hired him on as a favor to one of the heads of the Facilities Planning department (the people who give out the construction jobs) at the location the company has been working on for years.

    On the last job I was on, the leadman (who was in charge of the job) was told that he was running behind, because he was going to finish a week behind when the job was expected to be done. However, the job was still finished a month ahead of schedule- and the only reason the VP was upset was because the earlier the job got done, the more overpay he pocketed- and I say he, and not the company, because the money goes right into the pockets of the two VP's and the president.

    So, what were you saying about "working for your money"? Truth be told, if people were really paid what they deserved, almost everyone who is rich right now would be paupers.

    Again, if what you were saying was a joke, I apologise.

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    Economically right - given your definations of social I have to go with the social right. The government has the obligation to establish laws to regulate social behaviors - Those laws need to have some sort of basis in which to draw authority from. I would not say I am hard right on this aspect - but definetly right of center.
    O well, seems like 'some' people decide to ruin a perfectly valid threat. Nice going guys... doc bean

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    Quote Originally Posted by Divinus Arma
    Should we pay a fast-food worker the same as an Executive?
    Certainly not, most execs are vastly overpaid for what they actually do and for the actual impact they have on the company performance, while fast food workers are not. Which one is more valuable to me...probably the fast food worker, the execs have been ripping me off both as an employee and stockholder. If we paid execs according to performance many would owe US money instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Harvest
    Certainly not, most execs are vastly overpaid for what they actually do and for the actual impact they have on the company performance, while fast food workers are not. Which one is more valuable to me...probably the fast food worker, the execs have been ripping me off both as an employee and stockholder. If we paid execs according to performance many would owe US money instead.
    Allow me to provide you with the glorious benefit of my superior incredible-like intellect and vastly more greaterist experience.

    I was once a Democrat... Yes, 'tis true. I voted for Al Gore and distrusted the Republicans like any true Democrat would. The worker should hold more power, the executive is worthless... Oh evil government...

    But then I awoke from the darkness of ignorance.

    I realized a basic concept of economics: If you have more, then you will spend more. And thus the economy grows. This little seed grew into the tree 'tis now.

    But after obtaining my education in Business.... I realize just how foolish I was. And as a consequence, how foolish the left is.

    But ah, how glorious is truth! Now the Democrats are splintered into infighting fragments: The religious blacks hate the abortionists. The labor unions hate the illegal immigrants. The Police unions hate the drug users. The AFl-CIO is splitting apart. The Dems haven't controlled the legislative branch in a generation. The anti-military wing is getting branded as anti-national security. It turns out that Kerry had a lower GPA than Bush, (who attended Yale and Harvard). Fox News is dominating the cable news networks.

    Ah yes, my lefty friends, you shall see the end up your pitiful little social club. Hillary is your lead figure and she is as polarizing and terrifying to the left as to the right! We have countless fine Governors and Legislators ready to step into the next presidency, as well as Powell, McCain, Rice, and many other brilliant figures that defy the Democrats marketing as the party for minorities. We are gaining fast with hispanics, mexicans, and blacks. And your DNC chairman is a screaming loon! (we're going to Iowa, and Georgia, and California, and Ohio, yeeearghrrrraaaah!!!!)

    You see, my lefty friends, the left has nothing anymore but fragments of broken history and shredded dreams. You still cling to the days of old where "the new deal" was king and unions owned the polls. What do Democrats stand for now, hmm? What? Go to their website. http://www.democrats.org/ The 40th anniversary of the Voting Rights Act? Ther 2005 Hispanic Summit? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    So do I need to win your approval? No. Am I just pissing you off and failing to really communicate anything that will help you see the light? Yep.

    The fact is, the left will fail because its strength lies in the weakness of others. They are a party of victims moaning how the world has wronged them and that others must make it right. You are the party of the weak.

    The right empowers people to forge their own destinies in this world. Where the left says, "Let us help you", the right says, "Let us help you to help yourself". It is this strength that inspires, that demands the best from its people, and that survives!

    That's right. I went from a lowly Democrat making 12k a year, to buying my first home at 21 years old and my second at 23. I work 60 hours a week and carry 18 credits of school so that I can provide a better life for my family. I earned it. I don't need a frvkin handout! And nobody does. Get a job. And a second one. And then go to school and make yourself an asset to society. Quit looking for people to carry your burden. Lazy swine.
    "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." -Einstein

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