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  • I am a fanatic , I am willing to kill people so the flag does not touch the ground.

    8 14.81%
  • I love my country, I have/will join the army, I respect nat. symbols, I know the anthem by heart

    14 25.93%
  • same as above only no army

    7 12.96%
  • I like my country some times I say the pledge

    4 7.41%
  • I dont care I only show some pride for my country when I have too.

    4 7.41%
  • Countries are lines on a map, who gives a !@#$

    14 25.93%
  • GAH

    3 5.56%
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    I am a fanatic , I am willing to kill people so the flag does not touch the ground.

    I love my country, I have or will join the military, I respect all national symbols and know the pledge and antham by heart.

    same as above only no military

    I like my country some times I say the pledge

    I dont care I only show some pride for my country when I have too.

    Countries are lines on a map, who gives a !@#$

    I am a draft dodging,flag burning, coward and I like to spit on veterans. I hate this place but dont complain about all that welfare i get


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    Why did you not turn this into a poll. Maybe I spoke too soon.

    Ok well IMO: In today's world countries are just lines on a map. Most people I know here (where I live) come from all over the world and I believe the world is becoming more and more globalized. Soon it will not matter what nationality one is at all as long as they come from a developed country.

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    If I was called up I would go to war. Despite it's many problems the US is a pretty good country all in all and I would be willing to fight for it, but if I died in the field it would be for my squad, not my country.

    That being said the US needs to make a bunch of changes...
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    I noticed in fahrenheiht 9/11 the woman said she wouldn't let the flag touch the ground. Why do some not let it touch the ground?

    Anyway I do love my country but not to insane amounts (unlike some of the ********* in my country who ruin it for everyone). I wouldn't really live anywhere else and I am happy in my little country. I don't realy want to join the militaryfor numerous reasons. I do know the anthem although we technically do have an anthem (it is usually skipped )

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    !@#$ I tried to turn it into poll to late... spent to much time editing it.
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    Well forget those wierd choices I put up (its to late to get them to work) just put how loyal you are.
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    Sigh - who cares.
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    jag how loyal are you????
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    I take it JAG isn't a fanatic.

    As for me- I would go to war if they needed me.

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    I'd be willing to risk dying for my country, but that has less to do with patriotism and more to do with a willingness to risk my life.

    I believe that the Nation is something to be honored, respected, and served but I don't have any illusions about it. It is a part of my blood and my psyche and I have an irreversible bias in its favor. But I wouldn't be willing to do anything stupid just because someone ELSE said it was "patriotism".

    Frankly I believe that Bush and his ilk are the beginning of the end for our tour as the dominant world power, and it makes me sad. If it became necessary I'd be willing to serve in any war we were involved in, even if I disagreed with its beginning-- because once begun, the only good way out of a war is to WIN.

    I have a lot of reservations about my people and culture and I believe we're headed for problems. We have alot of bad aspects and some very good ones, and traveling a bit in the world I've had a chance to see some contrasts.

    The way we're going, there may come a time when our Nation ceases to mean what it once did and would no longer be a thing worth dying for.

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    Im willing to defend my country if necessary.I think this is a fine country.
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    Countries are lines on a map, who gives a !@#$
    Says it all really

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    My loyalty has never been tested; I have no idea.

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    Default Re: how loyal are you to your country

    Quote Originally Posted by Del Arroyo
    because once begun, the only good way out of a war is to WIN.

    DA
    technically not. There can be a pyrrhic victory or a victory like the Western Allies got in 1918.

    I think I would join the military in time of dire need (like a major war) unless of course my job is deemed to important to leave or something like that. but other wise I wouldn't want to.

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    I'll have to go for:
    Quote Originally Posted by ceasar010
    Countries are lines on a map, who gives a !@#$
    But I'm quite happy to have been born on this side of that line, though...

    Edit: Oh, and you can use my flag as toilet paper for all I care.
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    Default Re: how loyal are you to your country

    Quote Originally Posted by ShadesPanther
    I noticed in fahrenheiht 9/11 the woman said she wouldn't let the flag touch the ground. Why do some not let it touch the ground?
    It's military thing. In the old days the flag was representation of the monarch, they were touched by their very hand. And thus theoretically had some of the kings grace rub off in it. After the Napoleonic era the flag becomes a symbol of the countries honour and grace. Letting it touch the ground is symbolically like using the constitution as an arse wipe or bitch-slapping the queen.
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    I'm loyal to principles and those that uphold them. If my government suddenly turned into an apartheid state or other monstrosity I would not be loyal at all. I would use the ballot box and other measures where possible to defend my way of life within the system. However an utterly corrupt government would find me acting back in kind to it.
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    Not very, I think. Although, if a major power invaded the continental US, sign me up. I am somewhat loyal to the ideas behind it's creation though.


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    I am actually very loyal to my country. That is why I hate the people in power, because they are corrupting and befowling a wonderful country. Go ahead and slander Bush, I don't care. Hell I'll even join in. But if youy try to burn a flag, or dress up like Uncle Sam and go around drinking from an oil can, and I will turn my fury on you.

    Edit: I just noticed I accidentally spelled "country" like "poultry". Mistake corrected- but that was pretty funny...

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    You should reopen this with a poll.

    I am somewhere between:

    I am a fanatic , I am willing to kill people so the flag does not touch the ground.

    I love my country, I have or will join the military, I respect all national symbols and know the pledge and antham by heart.


    I am willing to kill people so none of my countrymen die. While that by itself is not so severe, it is the number of people I am willing to kill for my country that sickens even me. The price of military service is not your life or limb. It is your immortal soul. But I am willing to bear that burden so that my extended family of Americans can enjoy the pleasure of artificial safety. And you have no idea just how fake our safety is until you have been there.

    My wife. Your brother. His great grandfather. Your son. My sister. We are all bound under this flag. Those who serve know how truly truly precious this freedom we have earned really is.
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    My loyalty is to hearth and home. I would throw myself down if it meant protecting my family. And despite the problems with it, I would defend my country to my last breath. It is my home, I choose to live here because there is no other place on this earth I would feel most at home.

    And by the way, most Christian religions condone killing during wartime, but do not permit murder. Murdering a man without just cause costs you your soul, however, killing(and/or dying) to protect your family and home is a just cause and has been supported in numerous crusades, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swirly_the_toilet_fish
    My loyalty is to hearth and home. I would throw myself down if it meant protecting my family. And despite the problems with it, I would defend my country to my last breath. It is my home, I choose to live here because there is no other place on this earth I would feel most at home.

    And by the way, most Christian religions condone killing during wartime, but do not permit murder. Murdering a man without just cause costs you your soul, however, killing(and/or dying) to protect your family and home is a just cause and has been supported in numerous crusades, etc.
    Oh I see how it is with you.

    Invading Iraq: bad.

    Crusades: Good.


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    Below fanatic above love I will lay my life on the line to protect my country and what it stands for
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    Default Re: how loyal are you to your country

    I took the liberty to add a poll to this thread (as this seems to have been the original intention).

    FYI - I left out the original last choice intentionally as it is obviously only meant to insult people who do not fit your picture of nationalism ... instead I added the obligatory "GAH" option

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    Quote Originally Posted by Divinus Arma
    Oh I see how it is with you.

    Invading Iraq: bad.

    Crusades: Good.


    Right.

    Relax. There is a difference in defending your home from a threat, rather than pouncing on one that isn't even really present. "Can you say preemptive?" Yes I can but we found nothing and still remain. Damn. We're still defending America from a country that couldn't withstand a two week invasion.

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    I am a fanatic , I am willing to kill people so the flag does not touch the ground.
    Well I love my country and would defend her and her interests.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swirly_the_toilet_fish
    Relax. There is a difference in defending your home from a threat, rather than pouncing on one that isn't even really present. "Can you say preemptive?" Yes I can but we found nothing and still remain. Damn. We're still defending America from a country that couldn't withstand a two week invasion.

    Forgot my smiley.
    Please view our continuing discussion for my reply to this well thought-out and clearly articulated argument on Iraq.

    Edit: Its in that other thread. Th one with turds and other enlightened conversation.
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    I'd kill every single person in this thread for my country..... what?


    As for "Thou shalt not kill" is actually "Thou shalt not murder", murder is wrongful death, killing as a legitimate part of war is not murder. Afterall it would be fairly strange to preach against killing and then go right ahead and tell Johsua to crack skulls in the Promised Land.

    As for war I am usually amused by people who support war 'only' if its in defence.

    Such people need to wake up to themselves, most of them live in the Western world which makes up something like 10% or so of the worlds population but uses anything up to 80% of available global resources. Do they think that the other places of the world like this state of affairs?

    I like my comfortable lifestyle and the way of life in my country (which has only 20 million people yet takes up an entire continent), and I have no problem with maintaining Western hegemony ultimately through force of arms. Sure it would be nice if everyone could have what they wanted or needed but this is the real world. And these weaker nations and places shouldn't complain too much either, afterall they're all trying to become successful themselves and I don't blame them for that, if I was one of them I would too.

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    Default Re: how loyal are you to your country

    Quote Originally Posted by Divinus Arma
    Please view our continuing discussion for my reply to this well thought-out and clearly articulated argument on Iraq.

    Edit: Its in that other thread. Th one with turds and other enlightened conversation.
    Regardless, in here we are in agreement that we would both stand for our country despite our present views in that thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swirly_the_toilet_fish
    Regardless, in here we are in agreement that we would both stand for our country despite our present views in that thread.
    Fair enough.
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