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**master of the puppets** · 08-09-2005, 18:47

i agree, evolution is fact while religion is a mere hollow story to aquiest the devotion of the foolish peoples. your "Gods" may be real but only in youir mind, and one day he to will fizzle out as all his believers bite the dust, this is fact. mabey that god is real to them, just as zeus was real, and baal, and epona and all the other gods who now are mere powerless names.

Almost all these religions say the same thing. That god created man.

bah man created god to fill in the holes in his own history but now as we find the true plugs to those holes the people who have growqn wealthy or reliant on these old plugs are not relenting in there belief.

**Gawain of Orkeny** · 08-09-2005, 18:49

i agree, evolution is fact while religion is a mere hollow story to aquiest the devotion of the foolish peoples. your "Gods" may be real but only in youir mind, and one day he to will fizzle out as all his believers bite the dust, this is fact. mabey that god is real to them, just as zeus was real, and baal, and epona and all the other gods who now are mere powerless names.

Thanks for proving my point.

**master of the puppets** · 08-09-2005, 18:56

your welcome, now lets have a 10,300 party w00t

**Sasaki Kojiro** · 08-09-2005, 18:58

Evolution is not supernatural, and therefore belief in it can not be compared to religious belief.

**Gawain of Orkeny** · 08-09-2005, 19:04

To a rationalist who prefers not to believe anything without evidence, science is superior to religion as a means for acquiring knowledge.

Again your proving my point. You believe that science is a better relgion. Theres a big difference between evidence and proof.

Evolution is not supernatural, and therefore belief in it can not be compared to religious belief.

The theory of Evolution is just that a theory. Its a belief system just like religion .

**Steppe Merc** · 08-09-2005, 19:08

But it is a scientific theory, that has proof, and is accepted to be correct until a more accurate model is found. A scientific theory is more than just a belief, at least I'm nearly 100 percent sure.
In my school at least, the teacher said quite clearly it was a theory.

**master of the puppets** · 08-09-2005, 19:12

Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny

Its a belief system just like religion .

but its a system which has sustained itself through the assaults of every conjecture and come out more flawless than before. we can come up with a thousand possibilities of how we arrived through science but with religion they are unwilling to allow there ideals to be moved in any way lest it break off into an entirly new religios party. religeon could easily be warped and people would still follow it. science you need something plausible.

**Gawain of Orkeny** · 08-09-2005, 19:18

But it is a scientific theory, that has proof, and is accepted to be correct until a more accurate model is found

The same can be said of religion. Infact it was siad in this very thread but used to discredit it.

A scientific theory is more than just a belief, at least I'm nearly 100 percent sure.

Its not a fact therefore it is a belief.

but its a system which has sustained itself through the assaults of every conjecture and come out more flawless than before

Has it? Then why are we arguing?

**sharrukin** · 08-09-2005, 19:18

Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny

The theory of Evolution is just that a theory. Its a belief system just like religion .

Originally Posted by master of the puppets

but its a system which has sustained itself through the assaults of every conjecture and come out more flawless than before. we can come up with a thousand possibilities of how we arrived through science but with religion they are unwilling to allow there ideals to be moved in any way lest it break off into an entirly new religios party. religeon could easily be warped and people would still follow it. science you need something plausible.

Gawain is talking about the theory of evolution vs the theory of creationism.

Your talking about science vs religion.

Not the same thing.

**Alrowan** · 08-09-2005, 19:22

Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube

To deny scientific theory is to deny everything you know about what you consider as fact. Without scientific theory, you know nothing. Scientific Theory is the method of coming to a factual conclusion. It's not bias, like Religion. It's a method of aquiring knowledge.

Evolution is not some kind of grand anti-religion scheme. It's a scientific theory. It's purpose is learning in a logical way where we came from.

no, to deny A scientific theory isnt much at all

to deny ARISTOTILIAN LOGIC is to deny a way of thinking

**Navaros** · 08-09-2005, 19:37

Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube

To deny scientific theory is to deny everything you know about what you consider as fact. Without scientific theory, you know nothing. Scientific Theory is the method of coming to a factual conclusion. It's not bias, like Religion. It's a method of aquiring knowledge.

if the quoted statement here is true, then it is especially ironic since evolution does not meet the standards of the scientific method and therefore can never even qualify as a scientific theory

**Ronin** · 08-09-2005, 19:20

Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny

Again your proving my point. You believe that science is a better relgion. Theres a big difference between evidence and proof.
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The theory of Evolution is just that a theory. Its a belief system just like religion .

there is a diference between evidence and proof yes....

as for the diference between Evolution and creationism....evolution has one of those things(evidence) going for it....creationism has none of them...

so i fail to see how evolution is like a religion, there is a diference between evidence(despite not being absolute) and nothing at all.

**Silver Rusher** · 08-09-2005, 20:48

Originally Posted by master of the puppets

i agree, evolution is fact while religion is a mere hollow story to aquiest the devotion of the foolish peoples. your "Gods" may be real but only in youir mind, and one day he to will fizzle out as all his believers bite the dust, this is fact. mabey that god is real to them, just as zeus was real, and baal, and epona and all the other gods who now are mere powerless names.

Hits the nail right on the head here. Religion is like if some cartographer from europe in the early middle ages made a random map of east asia when nobody from europe had properly explored it, and said he was 100% certain it was absolutely correct, causing the people to use it in their everyday lives.