What is the greatest military orginiztion of the 20th century?

**Duke Malcolm** · 08-15-2005, 15:42

Major organizations? The British Army is a major Organization and I would say that it is better than the U.S. Marine Corps.

**Gawain of Orkeny** · 08-15-2005, 15:54

Major organizations? The British Army is a major Organization and I would say that it is better than the U.S. Marine Corps.

It has so many losses its not funny. Nothing like the Corps. Heck it couldnt even beat a bunch of armed farmers over here nevermind the Marines

. How big is the British army by the way?

**Duke Malcolm** · 08-15-2005, 17:25

I believe that it is 200000 men strong, the best-trained regular soldiers in the world, excellent equipment, and if the U.S. Marines had been around for as many battles as the British Army, you could bet that it would have lost a fair sight more than the Black Watch.

**Meneldil** · 08-15-2005, 17:46

I always read the SS were in fact quite a sucky and uneffective military organisation, whose main aim was to kill thousands of innocent civils.

The SS who invaded France are especially recorded as being really loosy compared to the common german soldier.

**Gawain of Orkeny** · 08-15-2005, 18:27

I believe that it is 200000 men strong, the best-trained regular soldiers in the world,

So its basicly the same size as the Marines. We will kick your butts

You have no aircraft.

PS you actually have lile 113000 in the army vs 178000 Marines. Your hoplessly out numbered and outclassed.

**Duke Malcolm** · 08-15-2005, 19:38

outclassed? I think not. We have the Army Air Corps, which has a good many airborne regiments with apaches, and transport helicopters like chinooks. We may be outnumbered, but we could still beat the U.S. Marines

**Templar Knight** · 08-15-2005, 19:40

and the Brit Army have me so.....careful Gawain

**PanzerJaeger** · 08-15-2005, 19:45

I always read the SS were in fact quite a sucky and uneffective military organisation, whose main aim was to kill thousands of innocent civils.

The SS who invaded France are especially recorded as being really loosy compared to the common german soldier.

Where did you read that?

It really depends on what part of the SS and what part of the war you're talking about.

During the Polish and French campaign, they were a new organization and didnt perform any better than the wehrmacht.

During the russian campaign, they came into their own. Hitler threw them at the strongest Russian offensives and they performed excellently. Ive got a couple of books that outline simply amazing military feats against overwhelming odds.

During normandy, the original SS units had been somewhat drained on the eastern front, so they rebuilt them using green recruits lead by combat hardened vets. These units actually fought very well against the allies.

All through the war there were other SS divisions made besides the originals. These were made up of occupied peoples who often times didnt volunteer. Also towards the end there was a HJ SS division. These didnt perform well at all.

As I said before, the SS circa 1943 was the best military organization in the 20th century.

**Kraxis** · 08-15-2005, 21:33

The original HJ SS division did very well, if being a bit fanatical and rather selfdestructive. The Canadians will tell you that much.

Anyway, how do you guys feel about the Gurkhas? I'm pretty certain that they are about the hardest non-Specials I can think of.
Damn I heard a chilling story from some older soldiers (I was in the Navy) that during an exercise where the knives were supposed to be red markers, they infiltraded a camp and went to every tent silently 'slitting' each man's throat ever so slightly that they all woke up in hte morning only their outmost layer of skin cut... No blood. But scary to say the least. And mind you these were Danish soldiers telling the story and being the victims, so it can't have been bias, as the Gurkhas in fact behaved very irresponsible (what if one of the soldiers had woken up and cut himself with the jolt?).

**Marquis of Roland** · 08-16-2005, 09:09

Originally Posted by PanzerJager

During the russian campaign, they came into their own. Hitler threw them at the strongest Russian offensives and they performed excellently. Ive got a couple of books that outline simply amazing military feats against overwhelming odds.

I'm interested. Can you give me the book info?

**Zizka** · 08-16-2005, 23:14

Gawain of Orkeny - you are a hypocrite. You stated earlier that the Marine Corps is the best all round major independent armed force and yet you then dislude the Waffen SS because they used armour. You should state what you want to argue, that the USMC is the best all round light infantry amphibious assult force.

You also say that the USMC uses second hand equipment after bragging about how they field air and artillary support that other countries do not even have.

If you want to talk about accomplishments the 3rd US Army in the second world war took more prisoners, captured more land and destroyed more enemy equipment than the USMC have managed in their entire history.

As to the best MAJOR military organization of the 20th Century, basing this on having never been deafeated (the USMC has), never reatreating and few losses I would have to say the Vaticans Swiss Guards (and that is a Major organisation judging from ratio to population).

Bah, good grief mate, the USMC is only great in the eyes of its members. It has far yet to go in order to reach the fame of the Waffen Schutzstaffel or the Legion Estrange.

**Gawain of Orkeny** · 08-17-2005, 00:33

Gawain of Orkeny - you are a hypocrite. You stated earlier that the Marine Corps is the best all round major independent armed force and yet you then dislude the Waffen SS because they used armour. You should state what you want to argue, that the USMC is the best all round light infantry amphibious assult force.

I didnt dislude the Waffen SS because they used armour but because they lost. The Maines dont lose.

You also say that the USMC uses second hand equipment after bragging about how they field air and artillary support that other countries do not even have.

Again you should learn to read. I never stated that. I said we are the only organization that has its own airwing. I never even mentioned artillery.

If you want to talk about accomplishments the 3rd US Army in the second world war took more prisoners, captured more land and destroyed more enemy equipment than the USMC have managed in their entire history.

Its far larger , lost many more men and had many more defeats. Its record of success pales compared to the Marines.

As to the best MAJOR military organization of the 20th Century, basing this on having never been deafeated (the USMC has), never reatreating and few losses I would have to say the Vaticans Swiss Guards (and that is a Major organisation judging from ratio to population).

Theve never had to fight.

Bah, good grief mate, the USMC is only great in the eyes of its members. It has far yet to go in order to reach the fame of the Waffen Schutzstaffel or the Legion Estrange.

You obviosly dont know what your speaking of.

As to great German orgainzations. They loost and are gone while the USMC continues its traditions of excellene on the battlefield as we speak.