A Request

[King of Atlantis]

He didnt say dont post anywhere but your club, he said dont post hate threads outside of the conservative club. Their is a huge difference.

[scooter_the_shooter]

He did not even mention the lefties who do it...like jag for example.

[King of Atlantis]

correct, but the left hasnt done it in awhile, he has already admitted that it isnt only conservatives.


edit- what is making me upset is people here all making a big deal about being a lefty or a righty. I really dont think the org can be classified so simply. It angers me when people classify themselves and everybody else so simply. Politics should not be about right vs. left, though it always seems it is and now their is so much hostiliaty between the two in the backroom for some reason.

[scooter_the_shooter]

I dont even get the uproar over those threads....If you don't like them don't read them. I have hit the back button when i dont feel like wading through all of it.

[King of Atlantis]

and the uproar here is people taking cheapshots against eachother for an unkown reason...

[Gawain of Orkeny]

correct, but the left hasnt done it in awhile,

Says you. How about the one on Christianity?

he has already admitted that it isnt only conservatives.

Yes after we called him out on the matter.

and the uproar here is people taking cheapshots against eachother for an unkown reason...

Well when you open a post that in itself is nothing more than a cheap shot at conservatives what do you expect?

[King of Atlantis]

the one on christianity wasnt really a cheap shot or a left issue. A large amount of christians are on the left and that thread did bring up points, that i was going to reply to, except it got closed. And your right about say me, i admit i havent been in the backroom much lately, possibly a good thing, judging by this thread.

Yes after we called him out on the matter.

yes, after you called him out, but why continue calling him out on the same point.

Well when you open a post that in itself is nothing more than a cheap shot at conservatives what do you expect?

The intial post was hardly a cheap shot at conservatives. Sure he shouldnt have just said conservatives, but he has admited that.

Do you not agree with the core point of the thread though, im sure your feedup with bush bashing, that has no apparent point, or doesnt give any evidence etc..

[Gawain of Orkeny]

yes, after you called him out, but why continue calling him out on the same point.

I havent. I reply to the posts before my own.

The intial post was hardly a cheap shot at conservatives. Sure he shouldnt have just said conservatives, but he has admited that.

Of course he did. Hes not stupid. He stuck his foot in his mouth and now its time to eat crow. I wish people would give GWB as much leeway as you want to give him.

Do you not agree with the core point of the thread though, im sure your feedup with bush bashing, that has no apparent point, or doesnt give any evidence etc..

Bush bashing has and will continue here as long as Bush is around and proabably long after. I know I enjoy bashing that bumb Clinton still . We are hear to express our opinions. If someone posts something bad either ignore it or report to the moderators. Let them do their job. They are quite good at it.

If I had posted

Could the Liberals of this board who have of late been posting numerous threads with titles like: "Why this Republican President was bad", "Nixon was an Evil Morally Degenerate Piece of Scum", "Lies of the right", and "The republicans are stupid and this article by Michael Moore Proves it" please post them in your Club thread instead of spamming the main page with your pointless hatemongering?

Do you think the liberals would let me get away with saying later . Oh yes conservtives say bad things sometimes also? Hell no they wouldnt . Id be eating my words for the next 6 months.

Thank you

[King of Atlantis]

actually if you had posted the that at the beginning i would say, good point, but you shouldnt exclude it to liberals...

[Gawain of Orkeny]

actually if you had posted the that at the beginning i would say, good point, but you shouldnt exclude it to liberals...

I dont doubt you but you are not everyone. If I had made such a post I would have said I was sorry and wrong for not including conservatives. I still though would not have gotten off with this apology. They would say we knew what you meant. You just hate liberals. Well for the most part I do hate their ideas but I dont hate anybody. It just so happens that at the moment the tavern has many conservatives posting. It certainly wasnt that way when I first got here. I was appalled. I recieved warnings left and right and even went to TWC in frustration. Talk about jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire. What comes around goes around. Their are still plenty od great liberal posters here but I think what this demonstrates is at the moment either through sheer numbers or the fact that their correct has conservatives dominating at the moment. I can feel the frustration of those on the left. Ive been their.

[King of Atlantis]

good points, and my going somewhat off-topic seems to have stopped the arguing!

[KingOfTheIsles]

I recieved warnings left and right and even went to TWC in frustration. Talk about jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire.

Hey there, Rush.

I can understand why this topic has been made, but equally I understand the motives behind posting articles. If the topics provoke debate, I don't see the problem in allowing them (in a debating forum).

[Mongoose]

Agreed, give Sasaki a pacifier, warm blanket, and lay him down for beddy-bye, then close this thread...

Be careful....You might HURT HIS FEELINGS!

Great work guys. You've just alienated one of our best moderators. Keep up the good work, and maybe someday the whole site will be shut down.

If he had said "could certain members of the .org please stop posting threads just to bash republicans/democrats?" Then i am sure he would have gotten some better replies....


At any rate, there aren't +10 of these threads on the first page.If you don't like them, don't read them and reply to them!

[Kaiser of Arabia]

Could the Conservatives of this board who have of late been posting numerous threads with titles like: "Why this Democratic President was bad", "Clinton was an Evil Morally Degenerate Piece of Scum", "Lies of the Left", and "The Dems are stupid and this article by Ann Coulter Proves it" please post them in your Club thread instead of spamming the main page with your pointless hatemongering?

Thank you

Of Course, Comrade Premier. Long live the Revolution!

[Lemur]

If I had made such a post I would have said I was sorry and wrong.

I believe you; millions wouldn't.

[Taffy_is_a_Taff]

what's the point of the backroom if not for petty arguments?

[Devastatin Dave]

I wonder if we added all the posts about the left or liberal ideology, would it even amount to half or even a quarter of the negative threads about conservatives, Bush, and the US in general. Now that would be interesting to calculate. Much like elections here in the States, when liberals can't win they prefer to obstruct or censor. Thank God that this pathetic attempt of this thread is so tranparent that it can only be laughed at and ridiculed. When a foot is so squarely in the mouth of oneself, try not to choke on the ankle...
Have a good night, God bless you all, God bless the United States, and God bless George W Bush.

[bmolsson]

Says you. How about the one on Christianity?

You mean where Jesus was called a socialist ??

Could be seen as both positive and negative....

[Voigtkampf]

Great work guys. You've just alienated one of our best moderators. Keep up the good work, and maybe someday the whole site will be shut down.

I'm still here, don't worry.

[Slyspy]

I quite agree with the gist of the thread, though clearly the original post was typed in some agitation.

The atmosphere here in the Backroom is not one of healthy debate but of poison. Threads are often deliberately imflammatory and too quickly dissolve into off-topic rants, name-calling and pettiness. Hardly ever does someone say "yes mate, on second thoughts you have a point" so how effective are the arguments on display?

Even when there are attempts at apologies, retractions and reconciliation they are shot down in flames. Often accompanied by a sense of smugness and the scoring of cheap and irrelevant political or personal points. This can be clearly seen in this very thread - just look at DevDave's post as a prime example.

If I wasn't an insomniac I wouldn't even bother......

[PanzerJaeger]

^Speaking of people making the forum a more vitriolic place..

[Devastatin Dave]

This can be clearly seen in this very thread - just look at DevDave's post as a prime example.

If I wasn't an insomniac I wouldn't even bother......

Try some warm milk, it always does the trick for me...

[bmolsson]

Try some warm milk, it always does the trick for me...

Dave, I think you are old enough to get off the milk......

[Devastatin Dave]

Dave, I think you are old enough to get off the milk......

I like it straight from the tap though!!!

[bmolsson]

I like it straight from the tap though!!!

Hehehe... Great comeback....

[ichi]

I quite agree with the gist of the thread, though clearly the original post was typed in some agitation.

The atmosphere here in the Backroom is not one of healthy debate but of poison. Threads are often deliberately imflammatory and too quickly dissolve into off-topic rants, name-calling and pettiness. Hardly ever does someone say "yes mate, on second thoughts you have a point" so how effective are the arguments on display?

Even when there are attempts at apologies, retractions and reconciliation they are shot down in flames. Often accompanied by a sense of smugness and the scoring of cheap and irrelevant political or personal points. This can be clearly seen in this very thread - just look at DevDave's post as a prime example.

If I wasn't an insomniac I wouldn't even bother......

yep, correct on all your points.

Well said Sly

ichi

[Voigtkampf]

If I wasn't an insomniac I wouldn't even bother......

Marvelous! Added to my TW .Org greatest quotes collection.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

After reading literally hundreds and hundreds of threads that were designed specifically to provoke/bash/piss off the conservatives in my time as the Backroom moderator, I have never uttered one word to the left wing to stop with it; this is hilarious.

Like beating the guy half-dead and filing in a lawsuit against him because you’ve hurt your fist while breaking his teeth.

I'm not sure what your local attornies are like, but I could give you a few numbers of folks locally who would take up your cause and file suit on your behalf -- though they would likely include your emergency room physician and local police in the suit in order to get some "deeper pockets."

SF

[Demon of Light]

Know what bothers me about this entire exchange here? It is a micrcocosm of everything that is wrong at the Org. Self-righteous people are treating other self-righteous people without any degree of civility. Rather than disagreement with an idea, the people behind the ideas are being attacked. This isn't acceptable. That all of you people have for so long been given such free reign in your treatment of others in no way validates your disrespectful conduct towards others.

I care nothing for claims of hypocracy. To the extent to which both sides resemble squawling toddlers pointing fingers at one another over who started it, I do not care. I am unmoved by all talk of African-American pots and kettles (though I might have a few suggestions about where to place these). The only thing that matters here is that every poster here has a choice in how they treat their peers. THat choice is still there regardless of how much abuse you have been subjected to, how correct you feel yourself to be, or how much of an idiot anyone else is. For the sake of being able to call oneself the better person, I should think that we all could stand to exercise some restraint in posting.

P.S: One might ask by what right do I post any sort of directive. Recently I saw a call go out for creating a more civil atmosphere at the Org. That call included a mandate to confront disrespectful behavior politely but firmly. This places upon my shoulders a shared responsibilty for the overall tone of debate in this forum and on this site. What before was implied can now be considered to be explicit. Any moderator who points out rules violations should be treated with respect and not as an interloper regardless of jurisdiction. If someone exceeds their mandate, believe me when I say that you'll know about it.

P.S.S: If I were to state a personal opinion on the subject matter, I would say that Sasaki appears to just be frustrated. Couldn't the same be applied to us at some time or another? Cut him some slack. (Credit to Gawain for mostly making this same point earlier. While I'm crediting Gawain, I'll give some out for mostly being constructive in this thread.)

[ichi]

Since I couldn't have said it any better, I'll just say that I stand with DoL . It is possible to challenge ideas without attacking the proponents of those ideas personally.

ichi