True descendants of the Thracians

[edyzmedieval]

Thracians = Bulgarians + Romanians

It's a mix of it. Thracia was the south of Romania + the north of Bulgaria.

[Byzantine Prince]

Errr Thracians = ancient peoples whom Dacians(Romanians) were related to
Bulgarians = people's who came from the steppes to Thracia(now bulgaria) in the 13th century

I think you have it mixed Edyz. Bulgarians are Turk and Slav mixed together.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Bulgarians = people's who came from the steppes to Thracia(now bulgaria) in the 13th century.

That's six centuries off. The Bulgarians consider 681 the birthyear of their state.

I think Edyz is right. The Thracians are to Bulgaria and Roumania what Celts are to Britain in France. Some pockets of their language survive, their genes have been assimilated into the main ethnic populations that now populate their lands.

[Byzantine Prince]

How is he right? This is what he said:

Thracia was the south of Romania + the north of Bulgaria.

Here are some map to refute that.


A quote from teh encyclopedia:

The region that is now Bulgaria was at one time included in the Roman Empire as part of the provinces of Thrace and Moesia. Slavic and Turkic tribes settled in the area between about the 4th and 6th centuries ad. One branch of people known as Bulgars, who had established a large state near the Volga River on the east side of the Black Sea, invaded the Balkan Peninsula in the 7th century. They set up a state between the Danube River and the Balkan Mountains, an area that was then claimed by the Byzantine Empire. Byzantine armies failed repeatedly to dislodge the invaders during the 8th and early 9th centuries. By the end of the 9th century the Bulgarians had annexed considerable additional territory and laid the foundations for a strong state under Khan Krum, who reigned from 803 to 814. The Krum armies inflicted a devastating defeat on an invading Byzantine force in 811 and, assuming the offensive, nearly succeeded in 813 in taking Constantinople (present-day İstanbul, Turkey), the capital of the Byzantine Empire.

So they came from Russia and invaded the area known as Thracia. They then got invaded by the Turks and mixed with them far more then any others. I don't think they are very Thracian, although I'm sure they have some thracian blood in them.

[Kraxis]

Well there isn't much left of the Thracians... Their languages (they spoke several) seems lost, and their makeup seems lost as well. Most Thracian tribes are described quite different from how the people of the region look today.

So I dare say that the Thracians are gone. Of course their blood run in a few of us (not me I think), but so does many other peoples, and their governing traits and culture does not exist.

[lars573]

The thracians were absorbed into the Slavic peoples that moved into what is now Bulgaria and Wallchia(SP). So were the Turkic Bulgars that conquered the Slavs in Bulgaria then became part of them. Both Thracians and the Bulgars left some cultural and linguistic remenants in the Bulgaria of today.

The Vlachs are the decendants of the Romans. Both of the very small Romano-Dacian population that was left behind after the legions left Dacia and Romans who migrated from Moesia superior and infirior (provinces located in what is now Serbia more or less) to the Transylvannian plateau after the Slavs moved into the Balkans in the 600's AD.

[Aenlic]

It should be pointed out that the first Principality of Wallachia was begun by a family descended from Cumans. Basarab, the ruler who established the principality has a Cuman name, as does his father Tihomir.

The area itself was first Thracian, but was a welcome mat for many incursions after Rome. First the Visigoths, then the Huns, then the Kutrigur Huns, then the Avars, then Bulgars from the south, then Slavs from the north, then Pechenegs, then Cumans, and finally the Mongols. After the Mongols left, the remaining Cumans established the above principality. Later they were conquered by the Ottomans. Attempting to draw a line from the Thracians to the Vlachs is impossible.