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    Corporate Hippie Member rasoforos's Avatar
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    First of all there isa fundamental flaw in believing on a omnipotent and error free God. Simply, everyone things that God thinks like him and would encourage his views, as a result everyone else is wrong or a heretic ( Just look how fast religious fight broke at the 'Christian Club' thread.)

    Secondly its the bible. We have two very contradictory groups of texts there. An angry God with a serious attitude problem in the old testament, killing children, killing ppl who dont follow what he says, vengeful and in serious need of anger management classes. On the other hand Jesus comes and talks about non violence, forgiveness, tollerance, the support of the marginalised.

    Not willing to abandon one testament in favour of the other people have found convenient compromises using the version that suits them most every time. So nothing changes, its just that before religion to kill someone you would need to bypass your moral barriers ( if you had any), after religion you can just find a relevant quote and go on killing guilt free...in the name of an All mercifull God.

    Finally the bible has another problem. Most versions out there, especially in protestant countries with various different dogmas, are not only greviouslt misstranslated but also heavily revised, with verses missing or having beem changed totally to suit the ideas of the dogma. Since most people cannot read Hellenistic Greek they get away with it.



    As to if capitalism can go with Christianity:

    Well, truth be told, the first Christians were more or less Communal. They were mostly living in groups, were sharing their goods, finance and their food, were eating in big communal dinners. Also the early forms of confession, if memory serves right, were communal.

    As a result the first Christians were something between hippies and communists the way I see it.

    However, lets face it, there is no such thing as 100% capitalism. Even countries like the US, who have been priding on being capitalist, have implemented large socialist reforms ( they just dont call them that ), like wellfare, public health programs, benefits etc etc. As a result, for a society where the rich do give to the poor...somewhat, like most free market economies today , you cannot say that the Economy is incompatible with the Christian ideals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rasoforos
    On the other hand Jesus comes and talks about non violence, forgiveness, tollerance, the support of the marginalised.

    Jesus certainly does not tolerate sin. he tries to help sinners, yes, but to say he is "tolerant" is a gross misrepresentation of what Jesus is all about.

    @the comment saying Jesus was socialist: correct me if i'm wrong, but do socialists not support the murder of babies via "abortion"? if so most certainly Jesus is not a socialist.

    as for saying that Christians have done so many evil things: secular society at large has done and does do much more evil things than what Christians have done. the worst of course being the legalized holocaust and genocide of babies called "abortion"

    any evil committed by Christians certainly pales immensely in comparison to that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Navaros
    Jesus certainly does not tolerate sin. he tries to help sinners, yes, but to say he is "tolerant" is a gross misrepresentation of what Jesus is all about.

    @the comment saying Jesus was socialist: correct me if i'm wrong, but do socialists not support the murder of babies via "abortion"? if so most certainly Jesus is not a socialist.

    Yes, I clearly remember Jesus giving an anti-abortion speech at the hills of Gallilea...


    If you need to talk anti abortion please do so without quoting something totally irrelevant to what u want to say.

    I also find the idea that 'socialists' greatest atribute to be 'abortion' to be a bit....shall i say...non realistic?

    I think you really need to see what socialist policy means, you kinda have it all wrong.


    I m not gonna go into a theological discussion but, Jesus, having said 'love eachother', and having said ' forgive em ' when they crucified him must have been at least a bit tollerant to sin. Else he d say ' love eachother unless the others are sinners' and ' waste the bloody $%#^&$ and sent their sinful #$%# to hell'

    But this kind of idea of an intollerant Jesus proves my point, people just 'shape' religion to fit their ideals.
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    this thread is soooooo funny. you backroomers make me laugh everytime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince
    C)Kafeer, this thread is great and will not be closed. And no we are not going to hell for not believing in God. Jesus didn't believe in god for example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rasoforos


    If you need to talk anti abortion please do so without quoting something totally irrelevant to what u want to say.

    I also find the idea that 'socialists' greatest atribute to be 'abortion' to be a bit....shall i say...non realistic?

    I think you really need to see what socialist policy means, you kinda have it all wrong.


    I m not gonna go into a theological discussion but, Jesus, having said 'love eachother', and having said ' forgive em ' when they crucified him must have been at least a bit tollerant to sin. Else he d say ' love eachother unless the others are sinners' and ' waste the bloody $%#^&$ and sent their sinful #$%# to hell'

    But this kind of idea of an intollerant Jesus proves my point, people just 'shape' religion to fit their ideals.
    i was not the first one in this thread to bring up "abortion". another poster attributed Jesus to being a member of a type of group that supports that. in response, i was simply posting the truth of the matter. Jesus would never ever support that sort of murder.

    and aside from that, if characterizing many Christians as evil for bad things they have done is fair game, then characterizing secularists for committing an even bigger atrocity should also be fair game

    yes, Jesus did say to love each other. however, that is not a free license to sin. Jesus will try to help a sinner, but that does not mean he condones or tolerates the sinner's evil behaviours.

    incidentally, the title of this thread is also a misnomer. because the biggest problem with Christianity is when non-Christians who do not understand the doctrine at all try to make definitive statements as if they knew what Jesus represents
    Last edited by Navaros; 08-15-2005 at 09:46.

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