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    Master of the Horse Senior Member Pindar's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roark
    I wasn't making a rebuttal. I was explaining why I didn't respond to his original post when he asked if he was on everyone's ignore list.
    I see.


    I don't think it's pejorative. From the American Heritage Dictionary:

    Cult:
    (1) A system of religious worship and ritual;
    (2) A religion or sect considered extremist or false;
    (3a) Obsessive devotion to a person or principle;
    (3b) the object of such devotion. (Derived from the Latin word "cultus" meaning "to worship".
    So you believe all uses of the above apply and you don't consider (2) or (3a) as pejorative. That's interesting.

    Now I noted you refer to Mormonism as: a mild extremism, a bit bizarre and it screws with people's minds a bit. You then quote a former Mormon who says they isolate followers, use mind control and see outsiders as evil.

    (I don't think Mormonsim has ever renounced the principle of polygamy or blood atonement so this would fall into the really extreme camp of cults I take it)

    You appear pretty hostile.


    Are we done?
    It's up to you. Do you feel Mormonism has been properly labeled and marginalized?

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    Cult:
    (1) A system of religious worship and ritual;
    (2) A religion or sect considered extremist or false;
    (3a) Obsessive devotion to a person or principle;
    (3b) the object of such devotion. (Derived from the Latin word "cultus" meaning "to worship".
    Oh crap my DnD group is a cult. Well maybe only the Chaotic characters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Papewaio
    Oh crap my DnD group is a cult. Well maybe only the Chaotic characters.
    Only if you have former members who say you isolate members, use mind control and see outsiders as evil.

    Roll a twenty sided to find out.

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    I'm not hostile, Pindar. Sorry if it seemed that way. I was having a laugh that you got me talking about it with such minimal effort, despite my original protestations.

    Their semi-worship of Joseph Smith, Brigham Young et al means that, yes, I consider (3a) to be accurate.

    Joseph Smith's falsified "translation" of a rubric from the "Egyptian Book of the Dead" into the "Book of Abraham", and several other doctrinal farces mean that, yes, I also consider (2) to be true. I did try to qualify this with the fact that I don't consider them to be as bad as some of the other groups out there, but you seem bent on making some point here (I just can't ascertain what it is...)

    The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has recanted physical polygamy and blood atonement, but they can have multiple "spiritual" wives...

    Labelled and marginalised? OK, if that's how you see it. Feel free to challenge what I've said, though. I think that you yourself might be gettin' a little snarky here...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roark
    I'm not hostile, Pindar. Sorry if it seemed that way. I was having a laugh that you got me talking about it with such minimal effort, despite my original protestations.
    That's what I do.

    Their semi-worship of Joseph Smith, Brigham Young et al means that, yes, I consider (3a) to be accurate.

    Joseph Smith's falsified "translation" of a rubric from the "Egyptian Book of the Dead" into the "Book of Abraham", and several other doctrinal farces mean that, yes, I also consider (2) to be true. I did try to qualify this with the fact that I don't consider them to be as bad as some of the other groups out there, but you seem bent on making some point here (I just can't ascertain what it is...)

    The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has recanted physical polygamy and blood atonement, but they can have multiple "spiritual" wives...

    Labelled and marginalised? OK, if that's how you see it. Feel free to challenge what I've said, though. I think that you yourself might be gettin' a little snarky here...
    I'm Mormon so I think its interesting reading the whys and wherefores of labels and what I believe and worship.

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    I bow to your restraint in responding to my tirade, then...

    ...and I'm utterly embarrassed as to the graceless manner in which I presented it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roark
    I bow to your restraint in responding to my tirade, then...

    ...and I'm utterly embarrassed as to the graceless manner in which I presented it.


    No harm no foul.

    A representative of a country that produces some of the best surfing around deserves a lot of slack.

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    Pindar is a surfing Mormon... that I would like to see, black tie, white shirt, colourful boardshorts and a surfboard balancing on the end of a push bike... Yes sir, honest I am going to the beach to tell the surfers about the book of Mormon... I have learned their lingo to talk with them and spread the word... Dude the waves are really like radical so is the Good Book man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Papewaio
    Pindar is a surfing Mormon... :

    No Papewaio - you got it wrong - Pindar is a surfing Mormon Lawyer otherwise known as a shark.
    O well, seems like 'some' people decide to ruin a perfectly valid threat. Nice going guys... doc bean

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pindar
    I'm Mormon so I think its interesting reading the whys and wherefores of labels and what I believe and worship.
    Pindar, we know, you are a cult in person.....

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