Is UN worthless?

[Soulforged]

Now to respond - since its been moved to the backroom - Much of the discussion around the United Nations and its impact on the world has to do with politics.



Given that the United Nations is seen as worthless by many citizens of the United States - calling the UN a puppet of the United States is a reach. The failure of the United Nations to enforce its own resolutions does not come from just the United States - but the political manuever and disagreements of all nations. To blame the United States only - discounts the harm that other nations have also done - the old Soviet Union, China, Britian and France all have permanent seats on the UN - do you hold that the United Nations is also a puppet of these nations?

This sentence makes absolutely no sense to me - especially given that two of the nations on the Security Council were/are Communist in nature.



Another arguement hard to follow because of the language and translation of it. However lets address one point - The United States does not control the United Nations - nor more then any of the the other Permanent members of the Security Council. Politicial bickering and infighting between these five nations have made the United Nations irrevelant in todays world. Again just blaming one nation - is short sighted and false.



Again an interesting perspective - but its only that - the United States doesn't even maintain a secure border with Mexico - so the aspects of enslaving the rest of the both contients is a little conspricary theory and over propagandization by those in the area that are fearful of the United States. Nor can the United States make it happen in a economic or military sense. There is some movement toward attempting economic controls based upon agreements like NAFTA and other trading agreements - but the aspects of many of those treaties are mutual beneficial to all parties.

That the citizens don't support it....and so....
Oh that's what i expected to read. If you're american an are blaming China and Soviet Union, then this is an amazing coincidence. And, you can see all that one does in public, but you will see the real effect (in matters that concern US) in the facts (and not in the deliberations). You see much deliberation on the UN about if it would be right to engage war in Irak or not, some yes some not, as always. What happens, just the result looked by USA (at least for the government), there was war, there was invasion in others soberanity. Does the UN does something more than talking to stop this, no, and US takes the oil again, now with full domination and attempting to put a "democratic" government, always surpasing their field of action and soberanity, just like in Vietnam or in the Gulf War. Imposing the capitalism and the democracy may seem right but the UN was created so no country will never surpase the soberanity of another, even less with hostile purposes. And in fact you're right, and i'm sorry US only is not the one puppeting the UN, it's being taked by every powerful nation (well this is just normal) but US is still the one with more veto power and i will correct myself, in matters that concern them (like war against terreorism, an absurd if you excuse me) they always get throught.
And what society known until today is communist, as you say.... read the manifesto, and you will notice that not of them are/were communist. They're capitalists (even China) just see the movements that they take. And why i tell you this, yes it seems to have no sense, but think. Capitalism, though it was not created by USA just improved by it, is based on acumulation of treasure by anyone who can do it (capitalists of course, a worker could not) and in the fetichism of the mercancy and the plusvalue (as Marx discovered), but more importantly it permits competion beetween anyone. I'm not saying that it's a plot by the USA, it's just the capitalism that it's wrong, but this has permited to nations such as this one expand they economy world wide, with their culture ("globalization"). The point is that this gives the country who uses it best to take control over the others, especially the weak ones, from a moral point of view is wrong, but lets be objectives. The problem is that USA takes principal roll on the UN, they say all big words, like pursuing criminals, end of the wars, imprescribility of the crimes of war, bla, bla, bla... what is the result, they don't have any power to impose almost all of this over other countries, and in cases like the wars, well they make some "exceptions".... that's what it may seem worthless but far from it, if one nation has the power to corrupt it and manage it them it will be an perfect instrument to create illusions. As you see i'm not blaming one nation (it's naive) but i believe that is only one nation that always get's the results that they want, does the UN says something against or not, but it just say it does nothing. Why have an army if you don't use it? An a far more interesting irony... Why have one is you want to stop war?
Anyway this is not the matter (hatred towards USA) because it's of public knowledge. The fact's that it's not worthless at all, but it seems perfect to reproduce everyday's lies, like filantropy is a right thing, or wars are bad... the average people will see it that way so...
Finally is not a perspective, and we are fearful of the USA, we saw what an military potence can do. Why would you say that USA would want to enter here unchecked? To do researsh on species of the third world... No i will say you why, it's because they search for something, a resource perhaps (the observations here talk about the greatest reserve of water, after the poles and Island). And you say that USA cannot take all over South America for example, militarily. Man you're blind, they have the most advanced army and the most populated one (with the exception of China perhaps), they could just do it the old way:1- Make treaties and alliances with other powerful nations 2- Create an excuse 3- Invade 4- Put a new "better" government. You don't even have to worry from then on. An economic, well that truly is false, if you don't know it USA has the most vast international debt, and that means that they can afford it, then they must have the most vast treasure, that's for sure, is just do some mats. Now if you take that- Most vast reserve + Control of almost all companies all over Latin America and Brazil + Almost absolute control over the regulations on economic politics in this region + most valuable divise (the dolar)= they already have control over the rest. The NAFTA would just make it more public and visible. There're not a single real benefit that a powerless nation could achieve by uniting (and in sometime opening frontiers totally) with a powerful one, they will simply be absorbed. And as you see viewing the hole panorama here you would will doubt if this is just a "perspective", and when you try to set a plot you don't go around saying "hey give immunity, we're military, we will enter with weapons...", anybody with 3 pounds of brain will notice that that is insane, so i never said that is a conspiracy, in fact they don't need it, they can be open if they have us by the throat.