Unbalanced BI campaign map

[Coldfish]

Okay...in RTW..Northern Africa had 3 factions

-Carthage
-Numidia
-Egypt

Middle East had 4

-Armenia
-Parthia
-Seleucid Empire
-Pontus

in BI Nothern Africa will have

-Berbers
-Vandals

Middle East

-Sassanid Empire only

Did anyone noticed this unbalance ?

or maybe it will be more factions wich i don`t know....i know the Babylonic Empire existed leaded by Nabuchodonosor close to the BI period....is this faction going to be in BIs middle east too ?

[Duke John]

Have you played the game yet? Do you realize that BI will have less regions and if Africa only has a couple of regions then there is no unbalance? Eastern Europe might be left empty to leave some nice pickings for the Barbarian Invasion.

[barocca]

besides the Vandlas were TOUGH
it took almost a hundred years and the combined might of the East and West Roman Empires PLUS help from the Huns to finally knock them down...

B.

[lars573]

Okay...in RTW..Northern Africa had 3 factions

-Carthage
-Numidia
-Egypt

Middle East had 4

-Armenia
-Parthia
-Seleucid Empire
-Pontus

in BI Nothern Africa will have

-Berbers
-Vandals

Middle East

-Sassanid Empire only

Did anyone noticed this unbalance ?

or maybe it will be more factions wich i don`t know....i know the Babylonic Empire existed leaded by Nabuchodonosor close to the BI period....is this faction going to be in BIs middle east too ?

WTF are you talking about.
1.Carthage, Egypt, and Numidia were conquered by and became part of the Roman empire.
2.The Berbers are going to be in the deep desert provinces beyond the Roman borders
3.The Vandals migrate from where Bohemia is now to Africa.

In the east The Seleucids were conquered by the Romans and Parthians, Pontus was annexed by Rome too. Armenia became a Roman protectorate and buffer state between the Parthians and Romans. The Sassanids overthrew and took over the Parthians, they eventaully took over Armenia. This "Babylonic empire" your speak of is probably the Sassanid Persians. The original Babylon of Neducanezzar was conquered by the Assyrians. The Assyarians were over thrown by the neo-Babylonians, who were conquered by the Achmeniad Persians.

This "unbalance" you speak of is called history. I would suggest you google a map of the Roman empire in 364 AD, it might surprise you.

[Coldfish]

"This "unbalance" you speak of is called history. I would suggest you google a map of the Roman empire in 364 AD, it might surprise you."

U didn`t grasp the point..I just tryed to compare RTW with BI regarding the balancy issue,i was aware of that....anyway..its seems that Sassanid Empire will hold a huge piece of the eastern map...that`s great...i wonder what is the victory condition for the sassanids?..they will be the first faction i will play...and i will not stop until I win with them

[Conqueror]

The Sassanids won't be alone in the east. They have the eastern roman empire in there to keep them company

[Viking]

The Sassanids won't be alone in the east. They have the eastern roman empire in there to keep them company

And the Eastern Roman Rebels or something like that, so they will far from be lonely. And that`s good.

[Shaun]

in the east there is also the arabs, and, if they have made it historical there should also be the iberian and armenia kingdoms in the east.

[lars573]

They have made not mention of Arabs. And you could make the case for the Sassanids having annexed Armenia at the time. It will probably be a rebel faction.

[Shaun]

well they do have 20 faction slots for BI, and i know that the Arabs are in it.

[MulusMariae]

...i know the Babylonic Empire existed leaded by Nabuchodonosor close to the BI period....is this faction going to be in BIs middle east too ?

Ummm.... is a thousand years "close" ????
There is a little problem with your assumed dates (I think it's "AD" vs. "BC")
See http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/N/Nebuchad.asp where it says
Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylonia (c.605-562 BC)

Personally, I don't fault CA for ignoring the Babylonians in BI, but that's just me.

[RTW King]

Shaun said there should be an Iberian Kingdom in the east. I thought Iberia was just Spain.

[Ianofsmeg16]

well they do have 20 faction slots for BI, and i know that the Arabs are in it.

Proof please that the arabs are in it

[Flippy]

Shaun said there should be an Iberian Kingdom in the east. I thought Iberia was just Spain.

Maybe he means Siberian kingdom ?
Nah, that isn't east either.

But east is relative to where you are located. If Shaun is an american, then yes. Spain is eastward!

[Shaun]

There was an iberian kingdom in the east, because the sassanids persecution of the christians in iberia started a war with the byzantine empire and sassanids

[Flippy]

There was an iberian kingdom in the east, because the sassanids persecution of the christians in iberia started a war with the byzantine empire and sassanids

Ok,ok... you might be right about the Iberian Kingdom.
I'll sing a song or two in you honor at the campfire this evening!

*humbly bows head*

[Shaun]

also, the arabs cood be a break away faction, or an emerging faction!

[asilv]

Iberia was a name given by the ancient Greeks and Romans to the ancient Georgian kingdom of Kartli (4th century BC-5th century AD) corresponding roughly to the eastern and southern parts of the present day Georgia.

The term “Caucasian Iberia” (or the Eastern Iberia) is used to distinguish it from the Iberian Peninsula, where the present day nations of Spain and Portugal are located.

Link

well they do have 20 faction slots for BI, and i know that the Arabs are in it.

I don't think there is an arab faction. Faction list taken from demo's .pak-file:

1 faction empire_east
2 faction empire_west
3 faction franks
4 faction huns
5 faction sarmatians
6 faction sassanids
7 faction saxons
8 faction vandals
9 faction goths
10 faction celts
11 faction ostrogoths
12 faction romano_british
13 faction slavs
14 faction berbers
15 faction slave
16 faction empire_east_rebels
17 faction empire_west_rebels
18 faction roxolani
19 faction burgundii
20 faction lombardi
21 faction alemanni

More information including some faction descriptions and unit lists extracted from demo files can be found in this thread.

[Shaun]

well CA only says that, appart from the playable factions, the only other factions are the celts,slavs, east and western roman rebels and berbers and romano-brits!

[JimBob]

No Arabs in game, and there shouldn't be. Until the time of Mohammed (623AD if memory serves). The game if from 363 until 476. At this time the Arabs were nomadic tribes and a few trade cities. Mohammed was the one who unified them into one nation.

[Shaun]

well if there is no- arab faction then the east will be pretty empty!

[King of Atlantis]

sassinids arent the only ones in the east, there is the eastern roman empire. That will probably make for a big power srtuggle.

shameless advertisment- anybody wanting to play as the arabs should check out imperium total war.

[Shaun]

yeah, the sassanids and east roman empire are going to be enemies!

[Grifman]

Nothing says as a barbarian that you have to invade the Romans - some might be tempted to invade the Sassanian Persian lands over the Caucausus land bridge.

[Captain Fishpants]

Nothing says as a barbarian that you have to invade the Romans - some might be tempted to invade the Sassanian Persian lands over the Caucausus land bridge.

This has happened a couple of times in BI games I've played.

Once, the Sarmatians were pushed aside by the Huns and headed south and east into Sassanid territory. On other occasions the Huns headed south towards the rich pickings of the Sassanid Empire, then on towards Constantinople. While we've biased the behaviour of hordes so that they head towards their historical destinations, there's no absolute guarantees that they'll do so if more lucrative intermediate targets are available.

[caesar44]

To stop the mess , here is a map of EuropE and the "M. East" in 400 ce - http://www.euratlas.com/big/big0400.htm

Africa , just tribes -
1. Mauri
2. Gaeiuli (???)
3. Musulami
4. Garamantes

"M. East"
1. Sassanid empire
2. Kingdom of PersArmenia
3. Kingdom of Albania
4. Kingdom of Iberia (not in spain for god sake...)
5. Kingdom of Lazica
And several Arab tribes -
1. The Nabatei
2. The Gassa-anidi (???)
3. The Lachmidi

Well , that is the history , BI ? far from it ?? hard to tell

[Shaun]

well with the number of provs and faction slots in BI, this is hardly possible!

[The Stranger]

yeah i always wondered why there are to iberia's. iberia in spain and iberia between the black and caspian sea. whats that all about

[lars573]

To stop the mess , here is a map of EuropE and the "M. East" in 400 ce - http://www.euratlas.com/big/big0400.htm

Africa , just tribes -
1. Mauri
2. Gaeiuli (???)
3. Musulami
4. Garamantes

"M. East"
1. Sassanid empire
2. Kingdom of PersArmenia
3. Kingdom of Albania
4. Kingdom of Iberia (not in spain for god sake...)
5. Kingdom of Lazica
And several Arab tribes -
1. The Nabatei
2. The Gassa-anidi (???)
3. The Lachmidi

Well , that is the history , BI ? far from it ?? hard to tell

Let's break this down a bit. The Mauri, Gaeiuli, Musulami, and Garamantes are all Berber tribes and thus covered by the Berber faction (Which 1 mister MacDonald says is a clone of the Numidians). The kingdoms of PersArmenia, Albania, and Iberia all appear by that map to be tributary kingdoms of the Sassanids and there fore will be part of their lands in BI. Lazica is waaaaay to small to be borthered with.

[bodidley]

It might have something to do with the fact that the Basques are related to some Caucasians (people from the Caucuses) and that created recognizable cultural similarities. Just a guess though.