Get off my property

[Divinus Arma]

Funny. But where does this thread go from here?

[Strike For The South]

wherever the wind takes it

[PanzerJaeger]

Hippies always impose themselves on people who actually have jobs and lives.

What do you all think of Sheehan? Anybody have the balls to give their real opinion.

[Strike For The South]

I dont sympathize 2 things stick out

1. She already met with bush
2. Her son joined the army the army what do you do in the army Wait for it.......Huh Kill pepole

[Red Harvest]

It would suck to be any president's neighbor I think. Still, I watched this guy on TV and he's all too common down here. He makes rednecks look bad. He had parked his truck out there close to where they were, had a partially empty 12 or 18 pack of Keystone (*yuuucccckkk* might as well drink bull whiz) sitting on top of the cooler in the bed. So he gets angry, decides to show off with his shotgun, and fires off a shot. Brilliant.

Maybe he'll end up on the "no-fly" list. Not that it looked like it would effect his travel plans much.

[scooter_the_shooter]

They have the right to protest and he has his 2nd amendment rights! I dont care If he invites all his friends to bring their shot guns over to fill the air with lead!

[AntiochusIII]

They have the right to protest and he has his 2nd amendment rights! I dont care If he invites all his friends to bring their shot guns over to fill the air with lead!

If it hits one of them?

You know, shotgun is quite spread out.

[bmolsson]

I don't like demonstrations and I don't like guns......

[scooter_the_shooter]

If it hits one of them?

You know, shotgun is quite spread out.

If he is getting ready for dove season he has to be using bird shot. If it hits any one it will feel like rain because it has been shot into the air first.


If he was using 00 buck shot....then he could hurt some one when it comes down.





Let me guess you want guns banned with out ever shooting one and listen to every thing the media says about them?

Am I right?

[Red Harvest]

They have the right to protest and he has his 2nd amendment rights! I dont care If he invites all his friends to bring their shot guns over to fill the air with lead!

Funny, I don't recall any right to brandish a weapon and discharge it while drinking around a crowd. They sure didn't make me aware of that during concealed carry instruction. I don't think Bush or the Secret Service would be too happy with it either. In fact, I would be very nervous discharging a weapon in an area like that, seems a good way to end up on a cold slab at the morgue.

[Red Harvest]

He fired it on his own property. He was within his rights.

Most of the time such a display, particularly with alcohol involved would get you a trip to jail. Disorderly conduct and reckless endangerment would be the normal concerns--of course those tend to be left ot the discretion of law enforcement as to whether or not they want to bring the person in. Gun owners like this guy make us all look bad.

[JimBob]

1. She already met with bush

And Bush was an ass when it happened. He did not know the name of Ms. Sheehan nor her son's name. You think that is a little problem?

I think the Bush should talk to Sheehan, I mean can't he give up one damn hour of a bike ride to talk to someone. Besides from a purely pragmatic view point it helps him because he talks to her honestly, she either a) leaves, media finds out about missing girl in *insert country* people forget about the protest, Bush wins, b) stays, looks like an ass for getting what she wants and demanding more, losses all credibility except with a few fringe groups, Bush wins.

[Devastatin Dave]

And Bush was an ass when it happened. He did not know the name of Ms. Sheehan nor her son's name. You think that is a little problem?

I think the Bush should talk to Sheehan, I mean can't he give up one damn hour of a bike ride to talk to someone. Besides from a purely pragmatic view point it helps him because he talks to her honestly, she either a) leaves, media finds out about missing girl in *insert country* people forget about the protest, Bush wins, b) stays, looks like an ass for getting what she wants and demanding more, losses all credibility except with a few fringe groups, Bush wins.

Check it out...

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=45800

I guess you can get more love from the media if you trash your dead child's honor and go after Bush. Sorry for your loss Cindy, but now you're just a leftist media whore...
I love her latest rant saying that the terrorist will stop if Isreal got out of "Palistine", if that's not Michael Moore speach, i don't know what is. My how here opinion has changed sine the left has started financing her.

[Devastatin Dave]

Oh and one more thing...

well, a couple...

If that guy that was shooting off his shot gun in the air, then he needs to be put in jail. A lot of people lose their lives because of irrestponsible dumbasses each year shooting their guns at a wedding. One one last point about good old Cindy... It is an ALL VOLUNTEER FORCE!!! Her son JOINED the military and in fact reenlisted to go to Iraq. It was his decision and knew the risks. I salute him for it. I did 10 years and DECIDED to get out. That's the biggest problem I have with this attention whore. Instead of honoring her son's decision she's basically pissing on his grave. She is in fact going around telling people that this country is not worth dieing for. Osama should hire her because she is doing a better job of spreading his lies than he ever could. Of course I'm sure there is plenty on this board that "understand" where she and Osama are coming from.

[Kaiser of Arabia]

Protesting is one thing, making the lives of the President and his neighbors hell is somthing totally different. If someone held a protest on my lawn I'd chase them off with my cavalry saber or Katana. You want to protest? Do it in front of senate for a day. Don't do your best to annoy the s**t out of the president so he gives you the interview.

You lost the election. Get over it.

[Kaiser of Arabia]

Hippies always impose themselves on people who actually have jobs and lives.

What do you all think of Sheehan? Anybody have the balls to give their real opinion.

Sheehan is a traitor. She has no right to impede on the president or his neighbors as she does. This is Amerika. Love it, or get the hell out.

[Adrian II]

Sheehan is a traitor. She has no right to impede on the president or his neighbors as she does. This is Amerika. Love it, or get the hell out.

Fortunately it is not. I keep learning from this thread though. For instance that the word 'agenda' seems to have become short-hand for 'different ideas than the President' in your country. The President has no agenda. Not do the woman's family members who lick his boots in ways that would please Adolf Hitler. It is the woman who has an agenda => is a traitor => is not American.

I was thinking, Kaiser: wouldn't you agree the deceased son was a traitor as well? I mean, with him dying for the country over there in Iraq and having the wrong Mom back home and all?

[Redleg]

Fortunately it is not. I keep learning from this thread though. For instance that the word 'agenda' seems to have become short-hand for 'different ideas than the President' in your country. The President has no agenda. Not do the woman's family members who lick his boots in ways that would please Adolf Hitler. It is the woman who has an agenda => is a traitor => is not American.

When I used the term agenda for Mrs. Sheehan its because with the professional handlers - she has shown by her actions that she has more in mind then a simple talk with the President - ie she has an agenda she wants to accomplish. However I see that you want to assume that I think that the President has no agenda - Every President, in fact every politician has an agenda or they would not be politicians. (But don't let my opinion cloud your blanket generalization.)

I was thinking, Kaiser: wouldn't you agree the deceased son was a traitor as well? I mean, with him dying for the country over there in Iraq and having the wrong Mom back home and all?

A little below the belt I think Kaiser and a few others are wrong to call Mrs Sheehan a traitor - because she is exercising her rights as a citizen - within the United States, but that comment well smacks of something foul.

[Adrian II]

When I used the term agenda for Mrs. Sheehan its because with the professional handlers - she has shown by her actions that she has more in mind then a simple talk with the President - ie she has an agenda she wants to accomplish. However I see that you want to assume that I think that the President has no agenda - Every President, in fact every politician has an agenda or they would not be politicians. (But don't let my opinion cloud your blanket generalization.)



A little below the belt I think Kaiser and a few others are wrong to call Mrs Sheehan a traitor - because she is exercising her rights as a citizen - within the United States, but that comment well smacks of something foul.

Agenda, professional handlers, foul play -- whichever way you put it, it looks like blaming the victim to me. And as for Bush, I don't think Abe Lincoln would have treated the mother of a dead Union soldier this way. Bush gives the impression that he is afraid of her. And Sheehan is starting to make the news the world over.

[Red Harvest]

Sheehan is a traitor. She has no right to impede on the president or his neighbors as she does. This is Amerika. Love it, or get the hell out.

While I might not agree with where she is going with this, I think she's paid the price for some respect, including from Mr. Arrogant himself, the President. If she breaks the law (like Dubya's neighbor) then she should be subject to prosecution.

This is America, not "Amerika" and those that want to deny peaceful protest are the ones that should get the hell out. It is not treason to oppose a war, especially when you've lost your child to a misrepresented, mismanaged mess. There are treasonous ways of opposing a war, simply protesting is not one of them.

Perhaps the neighbors should complain about how much Bush is on vacation? Afterall, protestors are only there when he is.

[BDC]

I thought the whole point of America was that you could protest about whatever you wanted, and that just made you a better American! You can't call someone un-American for protesting, that's what being American is about, freedom of speech and all that.

[Red Harvest]

I thought the whole point of America was that you could protest about whatever you wanted, and that just made you a better American! You can't call someone un-American for protesting, that's what being American is about, freedom of speech and all that.

Apparently that changed after the 2000 "election." According to some you may only protest if Dubya agrees with you.

[IrishMike]

Sheehan is a traitor. She has no right to impede on the president or his neighbors as she does. This is Amerika. Love it, or get the hell out.

Wait, did the people not elect him? Does he not answer to the people? Last time I checked the constitution said that we were his boss, not that he was our boss. So shouldn't he be able to just talk to this girl for a few moments? After all he has to justify things to us, not we have to serve him blindly. He doesn't have to give an arm or make a huge effort, its just a talk. I don't know about the rest of you, but last time I checked people talk all the time, so..... it should be that hard to talk to this women. Unless he feels guilty about something.

But to say that she is impedeing him is quite absurd. She is just taking it up to another level in actually voicing an opinion, whether it be right or wrong is not the point. The point is I don't care if he met her 2,000 times before, its his responsibility to the people to be avaliable after all he does work for us.

[Papewaio]

Isn't the whole concept of the right to have arms is so you can overthrow an unjust government?

So the farmer has the right to arms is tied to the protestors right to protest.

Remove the right for the protestors to protest and then the reason to have arms gets activated and a revolution starts...

[ICantSpellDawg]

Isn't the whole concept of the right to have arms is so you can overthrow an unjust government?

So the farmer has the right to arms is tied to the protestors right to protest.

Remove the right for the protestors to protest and then the reason to have arms gets activated and a revolution starts...

i dont believe that they should not have the right to protest
i just believe that property owners in certain parts of the country should be able to discharge weapons wherever theyd like on their property whenever theyd like unless the law says not to

otherwise the protestors would be curtailing a private citizens rights on his own property

i also think that private harrassment of a public display is ok as long as it is within the realm of what is legal

[Seamus Fermanagh]

A rich discussion do far!

Sheehan has a perfect right to advance her views in any lawful way she wishes. Her heart is very much behind her words and it is pretty sharp of the left wing propagandists to take up her cause here. If Bush meets with her, she gets to tell him he's wrong on everything with a national audience, if he doesn't, they can label him as a callous imperialist. Putting your political opponent in a lose/lose situation is the whole point.

I think she's distraught and departing from the rational, but that's only my opinion.

Our Dove Hunter, though probably within his legal rights in a strict sense (TX isn't a particularly restrictive state on gun issues), isn't exactly a poster-child for maturity. Alcohol and firearms are rarely -- never -- a good combo.

If the protest is on a public right of way, got their permit, and aren't constituting a public hazard, "Bubba" will just have to learn to cope.


As to gunfire and trespass, it varies with the state/locality in question. In some places you can drop 'em without warning for being on your property, in others, you can shoot them if the represent a direct threat to your safety or ignore a warning to depart, and in a few other places you can't shoot them if they're running away -- even if they have your computer and TW series games in their arms as they skedaddle.

In most locales, however, the firecrackers would be illegal, even on your own land. You might be justified in shooting them depending on the situation, but lobbing M-80's at them would get you jailed.

SF

[PanzerJaeger]

So shouldn't he be able to just talk to this girl for a few moments?

She already did! And she said he was very compassionate! THis is how the MSM distorts things..

Why on earth would Bush want to talk to a whore of miky moore? She had her chance before she turned to moores tit.

Shes nothing but a hack and is using her sons death to push an agenda he didnt even believe in.. as witnessed by his father and stepmother and stepfather, who is divorcing her.

Do a little research, dont get your news from the MSM, and you'll see shes in bed with the far left and her son wouldnt even approve of her.

[JimBob]

Sheehan is a traitor. She has no right to impede on the president or his neighbors as she does. This is Amerika. Love it, or get the hell out.

You wanna talk traitors? Talk about the guy who runs over the crosses with soldier's names on them . But more to the point, she has every right to do what she does, it is refered to as civil disobedience, make a ruckus and people notice. When you sign up for the Presidency you don't go in thinking people are gonna give you a free ride. I protest, I disagree, does that mean I hate America?


At DDave, I've heard rumblings of story chaging in the past day or two. Apparently there's a transcript floating around of what she had to say about the meeting, until I find and digest that I'm not going to say anything for fear of putting my foot in my mouth

(side note: why is there no smiley for that? :footinmouth: would be the most used on the boards)

[Divinus Arma]

wherever the wind takes it

Holy hell! It really did take off!

[scooter_the_shooter]

Bush Neighbor Suffers Protest Fatigue

Monday, August 15, 2005

CRAWFORD, Texas — Protesters outside President Bush's Crawford, Texas, ranch were starting their second week of demonstrations Sunday, leading one neighbor to demonstrate the first signs of protest fatigue.

Larry Mattlage (search) created quite a stir earlier in the day when he fired his shotgun over his property. The Crawford rancher told reporters he was practicing for dove season.

Mattlage expressed frustration about the ongoing anti-war protest taking place near his property, and said other neighbors are also getting aggravated by all of the protest activity on their quiet country road.

"You want something like this in your backyard? Huh, or your front yard? This is our yard right here. We just happen to, in Texas, have a bigger yard than they do in Maryland," Mattlage told reporters.

"I mean, would you like somebody invading your house for a long time and blocking your view and blocking your road? I wake up every morning [with] this crowd, and I go to bed every night with this campground down here on a public road, which I'm paying taxes to, the middle of this road," he said.

Mattlage has been watching throughout the past week as more and more protesters join Cindy Sheehan (search) outside the president's 1,500-acre ranch. Sheehan's son Casey was killed in Iraq in 2004. She says she wants U.S. troops to pull out of Iraq, and she will stay here until Bush speaks with her.

Bush has defended his decision not to meet with Sheehan, with whom he met once before.

''Whether it be here or in Washington or anywhere else, there's somebody who has got something to say to the president, that's part of the job. And I think it's important for me to be thoughtful and sensitive to those who have got something to say. But I think it's also important for me to go on with my life, to keep a balanced life," Bush told Cox News Service during a bicycle ride on Saturday.

On Sunday, Democratic National Committee chairman Howard Dean (search) said Bush should meet with Sheehan.

"Because the president sent her son to Iraq, her son lost his life. I think the president should meet with any parent who has sacrificed their son or daughter for the defense of the United States of America," Dean told a Sunday morning network talk show.

In 2004, Bush met with Sheehan and other grieving families. Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., who traveled with Bush the day he met with the families, described the president's mood afterward.

"I have seen him, I have seen his care, and I've seen him grieve. And I'm sure he wouldn't like to hear me say this, but I have seen him afterwards. He was very, very grieved," McCain told "FOX News Sunday."

After Sheehan was joined by other anti-war protesters, pro-Bush demonstrators also traveled to Crawford. One pro-Iraq policy demonstrator said those against the president are not from Texas. Others said if the anti-war protesters succeed in altering U.S. policy, it would put more troops in harm's way.

The increased traffic in Crawford did not affect Bush, first lady Laura Bush or Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice as they traveled Saturday night from the ranch to the Baylor University campus in nearby Waco, where the three attended the Little League Southwest Regional championship game.

But Mattlage said he is frustrated by the traffic — and subsequent side effects of it — in his neighborhood.

"We got a battle of the port-a-potties. They first started going to the bathroom in a five-gallon bucket, then they moved a port-a-pottie and then they got two port-a-potties, and now we got three and if this keeps up they will be all the way down the road," he said. "The only people winning here is the person who cleans the port-a-potties."

Mattlage said he sympathizes with Sheehan, but the crowd that has developed is akin to guests that won't leave.

"When they first came out here, I was sympathetic to their cause, all right. They as American citizens have a right to march, to protest, but it's like company. If you had your brother-in-law in your house for five days, wouldn't it start stinking after a while? You're ready for them to go home."

Mattlage said he respects the anti-war protesters and he respects President Bush, but he is frustrated because both federal and county law enforcement told him they can do nothing to end the anti-war protest.

U.S. Secret Service and McLennan County sheriff's deputies went to Mattlage's home on Sunday afternoon to urge restraint, and the situation appeared to calm down a bit after Mattlage spoke with law enforcement and vented to reporters.

McLennan County Sheriff Larry Lynch said Mattlage didn't violate any law by firing his shotgun on Sunday.

"He's on his own property. He's getting ready for dove season he says," Lynch said adding that had Mattlage shot across the road rather than on his own land, he would have broken state and county laws.

"Everybody needs to use restraint in this situation out here. This is a situation that's taken all these folks by storm and impacted a lot of businesses out here. But so far everybody's been compliant and that's what we are here for, the deputies are here to make sure that this continues on in a peaceful manner. Folks need to comply with all the rules and regulations in the state of Texas and county and that's what we are here for this morning," the sheriff added.

Mattlage said he loves Bush because the Bible tells people to love their neighbors. But he said he is not a politician and is not interested in the president's business.

"All I know, when he gets done with his presidency, he is our neighbor and all of you all and all of this protest is out of here," he said

From fox news


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I think it is ok.... They have the right to protest and he has the right to Shoot a shot gun in the air