Get off my property

**Devastatin Dave** · 08-20-2005, 19:58

Originally Posted by Aenlic

As a disabled vet, I feel it should be mandatory for all able-bodied jingoistic, slogan-mouthing, war-loving, pseudo-patriotic, nationalistic, flag-draped chicken hawks to get their butts down to the local recruiter and join up. Tell them you want to be a scout in the Army or a forward observer in the Marines. If you're a pro-war American of the right age, then shut up and put your life where your mouth is. Or you could just be a 5 time deferment like Dick Cheney and just send other people off to die for your oil. What are you waiting for? Go on! We're waiting...

Yeah, I didn't think so.

I did for 10 years. If your so against the United States and her allies being in Iraq or fighting terrorist, then get your terrorist sympothyzing, anti western, socialist loving, disctator worshipping ass over there and fight the "able-bodied jingoistic, slogan-mouthing, war-loving, pseudo-patriotic, nationalistic, flag-draped chicken hawks" currently over there...

**KafirChobee** · 08-20-2005, 20:53

Aenlic, I get your message and agree in part, if not entirely with your statements.

That the true ChickenHawks don't recognize themselves is understandable. That they want to intermix our troops (actually putting their lives on the line) with the label "ChickenHawks" is understandable. They want to confuse the real issue. That is, it is easier to spout patriotic phraseology than actually performing the duty of being a soldier in an already unpopular war.

ChickenHawk: Someone that supports a war, but finds ways (or has in his past) to avoid actually serving in it (or in one). Examples; Dick Cheney, Rumsfield, Bush43 -ANG doesn't count, defending Texas against the NVA is a non-combatant scenario - G.W. Bush III (Jeb's boy), etc.

Actions speak louder than words. If one is a true believer, then prove it.

**Aenlic** · 08-21-2005, 02:11

Originally Posted by KafirChobee

Aenlic, I get your message and agree in part, if not entirely with your statements.

That the true ChickenHawks don't recognize themselves is understandable. That they want to intermix our troops (actually putting their lives on the line) with the label "ChickenHawks" is understandable. They want to confuse the real issue. That is, it is easier to spout patriotic phraseology than actually performing the duty of being a soldier in an already unpopular war.

ChickenHawk: Someone that supports a war, but finds ways (or has in his past) to avoid actually serving in it (or in one). Examples; Dick Cheney, Rumsfield, Bush43 -ANG doesn't count, defending Texas against the NVA is a non-combatant scenario - G.W. Bush III (Jeb's boy), etc.

Actions speak louder than words. If one is a true believer, then prove it.

Agreed in total, except for Rumsfeld. Even though I despise the man, he did serve a full term in the Navy. The others though, spot on.

I don't have a problem with people who choose not to serve. This is a free country, after all. My problem is with people who wholeheartedly support the war - vocally; but don't support it enough to put their own lives at risk. Those people, I despise. People like the Bush twins. They are of the right age. Why aren't they off helping Daddy make the world safe for Daddy's policies?

**Gawain of Orkeny** · 08-21-2005, 02:30

So then FDR is a chicken Hawk of the first magnitude.

**Red Harvest** · 08-21-2005, 03:58

Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny

So then FDR is a chicken Hawk of the first magnitude.

Really gotta wonder if you understand the definition... Do you really know anything about FDR or are you just running on what you would like to believe about the man? Born in 1882, his only shot at war would have been the 1898 Spanish American War...and that would have made him too young. (Don't know if he personally supported that or not.) By WWI he was acting as the administrative head of the Navy and had been instrumental in setting up the Naval Reserve and preparing the Navy for war. In 1921 he was stricken with Polio.

**Gawain of Orkeny** · 08-21-2005, 04:02

Do you really know anything about FDR

No I never heard of him.

Born in 1882, his only shot at war would have been the 1898 Spanish American War...and that would have made him too young. (Don't know if he personally supported that or not.) By WWI he was acting as the administrative head of the Navy and had been instrumental in setting up the Naval Reserve and preparing the Navy for war.

So he was young enough to quit and go join the army during WW1 then. Hes a chicken hawk. He was instrumental in getting the US involved in two world wars.

**Red Harvest** · 08-21-2005, 04:18

Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny

So he was young enough to quit and go join the army during WW1 then. Hes a chicken hawk. He was instrumental in getting the US involved in two world wars.

Since he was working for the Navy, he was in the war effort rather directly. No hypocrisy on his end.

I guess with your logic it would have been better to let the Nazi's and Japanese win WWII, while we sat it out.

**Aenlic** · 08-21-2005, 02:08

Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave

I did for 10 years. If your so against the United States and her allies being in Iraq or fighting terrorist, then get your terrorist sympothyzing, anti western, socialist loving, disctator worshipping ass over there and fight the "able-bodied jingoistic, slogan-mouthing, war-loving, pseudo-patriotic, nationalistic, flag-draped chicken hawks" currently over there...

Another one with reading comprehension problems.

**Red Harvest** · 08-21-2005, 03:43

Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave

I did for 10 years. If your so against the United States and her allies being in Iraq or fighting terrorist, then get your terrorist sympothyzing, anti western, socialist loving, disctator worshipping ass over there and fight the "able-bodied jingoistic, slogan-mouthing, war-loving, pseudo-patriotic, nationalistic, flag-draped chicken hawks" currently over there...

...whew...somebody missed the point entirely...and still has ZERO clue as to what a chickenhawk is.

**Gawain of Orkeny** · 08-21-2005, 03:57

and still has ZERO clue as to what a chickenhawk is.

Its a slur made up by those on the left. Of course no democrats could ever be accused of being a chicken hawk. Having served in the armed forces is not a pre requset for being president or sending us to war. Certainly there would be a lot fewer wars if all countries made their polticians fight their wars instead of the regular Joes.

**Red Harvest** · 08-21-2005, 04:11

Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny

Its a slur made up by those on the left.

No, it's not. Chickenhawk n. A person enthusiastic about war, provided someone else fights it; particularly when that enthusiasm is undimmed by personal experience with war; most emphatically when that lack of experience came in spite of ample opportunity in that person’s youth.

At it's heart it refers to hypocrisy. There is no reason a democrat wouldn't be eligible for the list...assuming the individual in question fit the criteria.