CommunismVsCapitilism

**bmolsson** · 08-16-2005, 04:48

Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube

China has resorted to capitalism.

BS. They resort to slavery and we don't do anything about it. Shame on us.

Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube

On the flip side, the USA is still one of the world's largest economies, and whatever economic problems we face stem from stupidity on the part of certain individuals, and not the system.

The success of US is more due to the size of the economy than the system itself. US success is built on SME, unfortunately there is a trend, just like in Europe, to not acknowledge this.
So far US have managed to keep monopolisitic forces at bay. The largest threat against US economy is money politics and monopolism.

**Strike For The South** · 08-16-2005, 04:51

Originally Posted by bmolsson

So far US have managed to keep monopolisitic forces at bay. The largest threat against US economy is money politics and monopolism.

Although Im a capitalist I agree if companies get uber big ie microsoft they should be split

**bmolsson** · 08-16-2005, 04:52

Capitalism with clear fair competition regulation is the best.

**AntiochusIII** · 08-16-2005, 04:57

I must agree with bmolsson here...

Capitalism, unregulated, uncontrolled one, is dangerous. Capitalism without some sort of Socialism in place is a nightmare as much as Communism-that-isn't-exactly-what-Marx-wants was. Imagine living as a simple British citizen during the early Industrial Revolution. Hell.

Monopolism is, if you look it one way, Capitalism goes wild. Everybody except the monopoly "aristocrats" loses.

SME is the key, I suppose, for true competition and energetic liberty that Capitalism advertises...

And yeah, the Chinese government should go to...well, I don't believe in hell...whatever serves as an equivalent of hell in Communist China. As a civilization China is one of the greatest ever. As a nation currently it sucks. Badly. Capitalism in China isn't that strong and freedom the West enjoys is virtually nil in China.

**bmolsson** · 08-16-2005, 05:11

I believe that Social Security should be seen as a insurance scheme, it is actually nothing else. With that in mind, there are no problem to have it privately owned. No taxes are required....

**Roark** · 08-16-2005, 06:13

Nobody's ever successfully implemented Communism, nor do I think they will. All the governments who tried got a little stuck at the bit where they're supposed to hand over power....

**bmolsson** · 08-16-2005, 06:46

Originally Posted by Roark

Nobody's ever successfully implemented Communism, nor do I think they will. All the governments who tried got a little stuck at the bit where they're supposed to hand over power....

More or less every army is a communistic society. Communism is successful during a war or revolution. The moment peace comes and people are no longer driven by fear, it doesn't work anymore.
Same thing with capitalism, it works wonders in peace, but is many times a disaster in war.
Communism have no place in a peaceful and prosperous world and it should always be seen as a threat since it is expansionistic in it's nature.

**Kääpäkorven Konsuli** · 08-16-2005, 06:57

Well it is bit hard to compare, because there have been many capitalistic countries but not a single one communistic. (USSR was socialistic for example).

**Gawain of Orkeny** · 08-16-2005, 07:01

More or less every army is a communistic society.

No their not but they are indeed the best examples of socialism that works.

That is if you dont mind being dictated to and being thrown in jail for being late for work or quiting. Or telling your boss to shove it.

**bmolsson** · 08-16-2005, 07:12

Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny

No their not but they are indeed the best examples of socialism that works.

That is if you dont mind being dictated to and being thrown in jail for being late for work or quiting. Or telling your boss to shove it.

When you mention it, I might implement it in my companies. Would end all those pesky negotiations with unions.....

**bmolsson** · 08-16-2005, 04:57

Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube

Sweat shops are capitalism at it's worst. Our economy relied on something similar in the 1920s or thereabouts. Luckily we've since found a balance.

Not the same thing. Chinese workers have no right to organize themselves.

Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube

Size matters, but not that much. Look at the USSR--they were much bigger than the USA. A small nation can be more than successful with capitalism. The real trick is making sure that the government does not interfere with business to the point of being crippling, but also making sure that the businesses do not exploit the workers.

USSR's economy was never even close to US in size. Furthermore, the collaps of USSR was political rather than economical.

The real trick is to enforce the rules of the game in a free market economy. The workers is only a part of that.