Crusades?

[EatYerGreens]

what gives???

Examine the unit training page for that province. If you don't see the Crusade Marker as a training option then you'll know everything is functioning as it should.

It's a pain that the game lets you spend money/time on a building you can't use but, if there's some kind of booster for the construction (+happiness or +1 morale on all other units) then it may still have been worth it.

The only other explanation is that you've installed the 'all_can_crusade' mod (see Budwise's sig for the link) but have suffered a 'senior moment'.

EDIT: My sincere apologies to bretwalda, whose sig carries the link to the mod and to Budwise for getting your name confused with his.

[EatYerGreens]

There's an allies thread going on at the moment but I'll post this here instead.

How can an AI faction go from being allied to you straight to launching a Crusade against you?

Fair enough, I'm Byz and this was the Spanish, so I guess that Orthodox makes me a legitimate Crusade target but I expected to at least have some kind of conventional war situation break out at a shared border, first. No such luck.

More to the point, how does one go about doing this to an AI ally, if it's you launching the crusade?

The combined effects of this plus a French one cost me all bar one of my 6-7 alliances in rapid succession, luckily without any apparent influence hit. I suppose there is an upside, which is that all forthcoming conflicts will not involve me dishonourably breaking previous alliances.

For the one remaining ally, something could be 'engineered', to make sure they start it, by deliberately undergarrisoning, for instance.

[Deus Ex]

Examine the unit training page for that province. If you don't see the Crusade Marker as a training option then you'll know everything is functioning as it should.

It's a pain that the game lets you spend money/time on a building you can't use but, if there's some kind of booster for the construction (+happiness or +1 morale on all other units) then it may still have been worth it.

The only other explanation is that you've installed the 'all_can_crusade' mod (see Budwise's sig for the link) but have suffered a 'senior moment'.

I am playing MTW:VI - un-modded.

If you look closely at the first screenshot - you can see the crusade marker for the crusade I already built. So it is not a problem building them.

I have Busface's package too and it also says I cannot crusade (yet I have Crusade GA goals - rotflmao). So I am at a complete loss - the funny thing is I was going along my merry way building up for a crusade - when I read this thread, and found out I couldn't - LOL

Odd, eh?

DE

(this IS my first non-danish or VI game. So I am sure there is much I do not know - in fact I am currently at war with the stoopid pope - and I have been ex-communicated - but either the pope or my king are going to die soon - and then I am planning on sending off my crusade.. I hope. Otherwise I'll never win GA I don't think...)

[Jihad2Death]

All these problems are why I like Jihads better
Two years to build, 500fl , 300+ men from the get go, and I can launch as many as I want

[dgfred]

@ EYG- Are you the 'target' of the Crusade or did it ask to go through your
land first? .


@ Deux- I hate the ex-comms , when you have to wait for a king
or Pope to die they seem to live EXTRA-long .

[EatYerGreens]

@ EYG- Are you the 'target' of the Crusade or did it ask to go through your
land first? .

I'm big, I'm bad and I'm made out of Byzantinium. So, yes, I am the target of the crusade. Two of them, in fact (a French one preceded it by a few years). Both have stalled at least one province short of their target, so I'm expecting some peace and quiet from Crusader visits for a good few years.

[Martok]

I'm big, I'm bad and I'm made out of Byzantinium.

LOL! That's a great line, EYG. I have to remember that one.

[dgfred]

I'm big, I'm bad and I'm made out of Byzantinium. So, yes, I am the target of the crusade. Two of them, in fact (a French one preceded it by a few years). Both have stalled at least one province short of their target, so I'm expecting some peace and quiet from Crusader visits for a good few years.

. Give us more yummy details and maybe a pick or three if you can . In my current game I attacked Spain, mainly being
greedy for Castille and Aragon for some reason. I am HRE and this is after
knocking out France . Since then they will NOT give me a ceasefire even
though I have tried almost every turn. I have kept just barely more troops
in all the borders with them, but it is a heavy toll on both of us and if I could
go back I probably would think twice for attacking them so early...... but
it has made things more interesting for sure .

[EatYerGreens]

. Give us more yummy details and maybe a pick or three if you can

I keep meaning to join in the Pics & History... thread properly (so far I've only been commenting in it, here and there) but haven't done so yet as mine seems rather pedestrian by comparison to what's there already. Also it's a lot to type up, so maybe I can do it in stages.

If it's just the pair of crusades you're interested in, I can post here instead. I think I have a screeny where you can just about make out both crusade markers in the same shot.

I set up a photobucket account a while back but have yet to convert the TGAs (I've accumulated a few hundred of them so far ) to JPGs and haven't uploaded a single one of them yet. This will be an ideal test item, so stay tuned...

In my current game I attacked Spain, mainly being
greedy for Castille and Aragon for some reason. I am HRE and this is after
knocking out France . Since then they will NOT give me a ceasefire even
though I have tried almost every turn. I have kept just barely more troops
in all the borders with them, but it is a heavy toll on both of us and if I could
go back I probably would think twice for attacking them so early...... but
it has made things more interesting for sure .

Quite recently this thing about not accepting ceasefire came up in another thread. One of the more senior members reckoned it had something to do with AI never accepting ceasfire as long as any of its homelands (even in WorldDom campaign) were in your hands. So they could be down to their last province and still they won't accept.

I think your only chance is a gradual withdrawal back to the Pyrenees. Let them attack and win (abandon province, to avoid casualties, sieges & ransoming) but obviously not so fast that loss of two provinces in two years (or whatever it is) sets off a Civil War in your lands.

There will still be a heavy influence hit but finishing France will likely prop it up enough to avoid trouble. Shortening the front line to Navarre/Aragon will help you relax garrison sizes and relocate excess troops to another front, where you can soon get the lost influence back by attacking in another direction.

'Scorched earth' before you vacate Spanish homelands will hurt their economy as they invest in rebuilding (extra buffer against their restored income levels) and give you a few years' breathing space before they're back to producing quality troops in those areas.

And, when they've built sufficiently to make those provinces appealing to you once more, you can go back and steal it all off them again