Terrorist 'Spiritual' Leader Gets Sentence Reduced

[Papewaio]

What that he ran a militant school that preached hatred of the West. That under Suharto he was not even allowed in Indonesia because of his preaching.
That the majority of the Bali bombers are students of his.

Shouldn't he have to have proved he did not inspire them to their acts?

[bmolsson]

Shouldn't he have to have proved he did not inspire them to their acts?

I don't think that any many should have to prove his innocense before he goes to jail. We have to prove him guilty. I am pretty sure that so is the case in Australia as well.......

[Papewaio]

I don't think that any many should have to prove his innocense before he goes to jail. We have to prove him guilty. I am pretty sure that so is the case in Australia as well.......

Yes in Australia you are innocent until proven guilty with sufficient evidence. You don't have the burden of proof to prove your innocence...

Also since he was found guilty his sentence was tiny and then it is being reduced again. In light of other sentences and trial procedures he is getting a slap on the hand sentence that looks more like a hi five then a sentence for conspiracy to commit terrorism.

The fact that Indonesia is reducing his sentence means that they do not consider conspiracy to murder anywhere near as bad as conspiracy to export drugs.

Their country, their rules. Just don't expect a lot of kudos for unjust sentencing.

[bmolsson]

Yes in Australia you are innocent until proven guilty with sufficient evidence. You don't have the burden of proof to prove your innocence...

Also since he was found guilty his sentence was tiny and then it is being reduced again. In light of other sentences and trial procedures he is getting a slap on the hand sentence that looks more like a hi five then a sentence for conspiracy to commit terrorism.

The fact that Indonesia is reducing his sentence means that they do not consider conspiracy to murder anywhere near as bad as conspiracy to export drugs.

Their country, their rules. Just don't expect a lot of kudos for unjust sentencing.

I have seen the evidence in the case and he would NEVER been convicted in any western court, including Australia.
For example the evidence against the GAM leadership sent to the Swedish prosecutors was stronger than against Bashyir, and it was closed before even going to trial.

[Roark]

What that he ran a militant school that preached hatred of the West. That under Suharto he was not even allowed in Indonesia because of his preaching.
That the majority of the Bali bombers are students of his.

Shouldn't he have to have proved he did not inspire them to their acts?

What we "know" and what can be effectively presented in court are not necessarily the same thing.

[Papewaio]

True, we are more like the Sgt in Hogan's Heroes then we would like to think...

[Red Harvest]

Personally, I think Western nations that have suffered attacks from these hatemongers should sanction hits on them. Try them in a military court in absentia unless they decide to submit themselves to prosecution in the West. If they are convicted by the military tribunal, set a hit squad on them. When the Indonesians protest, tell 'em to go pound sound...that's effectively what they are telling the West.

[Redleg]

Personally, I think Western nations that have suffered attacks from these hatemongers should sanction hits on them. Try them in a military court in absentia unless they decide to submit themselves to prosecution in the West. If they are convicted by the military tribunal, set a hit squad on them. When the Indonesians protest, tell 'em to go pound sound...that's effectively what they are telling the West.

The United States by offical policy and Executive Order can not sanction or particpate in Political Assassinations. It is against the laws of the United States and for that matter - I am almost certain its against the laws of most western nations.

What a idiotic idea - its better to attempt regime changes thru invasions of other countries then to practice what is in essence a right wing death squad.

I hear jack boots in the background when I see people advocating ideas such as this.

if the United States learned anything in our particpation in Central and South America is that death squads does not win the heart and minds of the people who can change their countries.

[Papewaio]

Economic sanctions, official or vote with the tourist dollar is better then hit squads.

The problem with hit squads is many:

A) We don't have absolute knowledge. Thinking like that is what has created terrorism in the first place.

B) Someone could accidentaly or on purpose name a person as a terrorist... until the no fly lists are 100% accurate, I doubt anything that the governments do will be 100% accurate.

[Spetulhu]

The problem with hit squads is many:

A) We don't have absolute knowledge. Thinking like that is what has created terrorism in the first place.

B) Someone could accidentaly or on purpose name a person as a terrorist... until the no fly lists are 100% accurate, I doubt anything that the governments do will be 100% accurate.

Do you really think someone who advocates hit squads would care if the list of victims was 100% correct? The idea behind them is terror. Behave even worse than "the enemy" so people are afraid of helping them. It practically requires you to kill people on anonymous tip-offs and vague suspicion.

[bmolsson]

Personally, I think Western nations that have suffered attacks from these hatemongers should sanction hits on them. Try them in a military court in absentia unless they decide to submit themselves to prosecution in the West. If they are convicted by the military tribunal, set a hit squad on them. When the Indonesians protest, tell 'em to go pound sound...that's effectively what they are telling the West.

In the case of Indonesia, it would be fairly easy to get Indonesia on it's knee's. It's a fragile democracy with huge macro problems.
When you got it on it's knee's, you would end up with 10-15 states, some Brunei's, some Bangladesh and some Taliban nations. The Taliban nations would keep west busy for a long while and any invasion would make a lot of mothers loosing their sons in jungles far, far away from home.
I would say that Indonesia is the best solution for west to keep one of the most populated areas in the world under control.
Indonesia want to be a part of the world community, they want to prosper, they do respect the west, but if you shit on them, you will have to exterminate them and there is a lot of them, not only in Indonesia..........

[Roark]

True, we are more like the Sgt in Hogan's Heroes then we would like to think...

Heh...