An other "Next TotalWar Game" thread

[Bartix]

I think it should be Fantasy!
I think it should be no-franchise fantasy!

Then all CA must focus on is game play.
And all players must focus on is game play.
And all modders must focus on is game play.

It is hard enough (down!) to get a game history-correct or fun to play.

Those mods who focus on game play only, getting to abstracted from realism in RTW setting. Those who focus on realism only get little fun.

BI demo may be hint that they are thinking away from realism more, because units light up "level up" style when gain experience.

So this it what I think. all stats, weapon, region, faction, culture, mount, everything just designed for best possible game, not for correctness to be dissected.

I like history and learning and that as much as next man, but I like most a fun game!
And Total War Type Game is great!! potentially!!

[Afro Thunder]

You're gonna get yelled at...

[scorillo]

a WW1 total war it will be a great idea....followed as a expansion WW2...i'm bored (and i think i'm not the only one here) of these ancient and medieval total wars

[bubbanator]

I think that WWI and WWII would be fantastic ideas for the next Total War Games.

WWI has more countries that played major roles in the conflict. But WWII would have several countries that didn't have much of an effect in the war. These would be a real challange to play as.

However it would be difficult to get all areas of the world into it. It would probably just have to be the European theatre. In Civilization 2 there was a mini campaign for WWII. That had America starting out with several cities in the east coast. That was the edge of the map. Something like this could be implimented into a WWI or WWII total war game.

Gameplay on the battle map would be difficult to perfect though...

[Viking]

I think that WWI and WWII would be fantastic ideas for the next Total War Games.

WWI has more countries that played major roles in the conflict. But WWII would have several countries that didn't have much of an effect in the war. These would be a real challange to play as.

However it would be difficult to get all areas of the world into it. It would probably just have to be the European theatre. In Civilization 2 there was a mini campaign for WWII. That had America starting out with several cities in the east coast. That was the edge of the map. Something like this could be implimented into a WWI or WWII total war game.

Gameplay on the battle map would be difficult to perfect though...

I think there would be too little diversity between the factions in a WWI/II TW, IMO.
Personally I`m hoping for a Persia: Total War or something like that for TW4. I like the balance between realism and gameplay TW has right now, although the gameplay could be improved quite a bit, without changing to fantasy.

[King Mon]

i wouldnt buy a world war 1/2 game, i prefer swords to guns guns are just to easy...

[Craterus]

I think that WWI and WWII would be fantastic ideas for the next Total War Games.

WWI has more countries that played major roles in the conflict. But WWII would have several countries that didn't have much of an effect in the war. These would be a real challange to play as.

However it would be difficult to get all areas of the world into it. It would probably just have to be the European theatre. In Civilization 2 there was a mini campaign for WWII. That had America starting out with several cities in the east coast. That was the edge of the map. Something like this could be implimented into a WWI or WWII total war game.

Gameplay on the battle map would be difficult to perfect though...

Not a lot of difference between units in WW1. They were all basically the same, just speaking different laguages and wearing different uniforms.

[Kitty208]

I wouldn't really like to see a Shogun or Medevial 2. It'd feel like playing enhanced versions of the originals. I want to see a completely new time period. Since I've always loved Greek history(particularly the Spartans), I'd like to see a Hellenistic Total War. It could have a map with Greece and Sicily on the westernmost part then go east all the way out to India. I think the best timeframe would be during the time of Alexander the Great b/c of the more diverse units. Not sure how many factions you could get out of that though. A pelopponesian or persian war campaign would also be nice, but there is almost no unit diversity amongst the Greeks. Aside from that, I'd would also be pleased w/ a Napoleonic Total War or a China Total War.

[IliaDN]

a WW1 total war it will be a great idea....followed as a expansion WW2...i'm bored (and i think i'm not the only one here) of these ancient and medieval total wars

IMO that is hard to do in TW style; if a good one it might be something like Panzer General - but it won't be TW than - ... maybe you just try another game .........

[rs2k2]

I think it should be Fantasy!
I think it should be no-franchise fantasy!

oh man...my flying pegasus cavalry just totally destroyed your dragons. of course, elephants oops, i mean dragons, would run amok easily...

nope sorry...just doesnt cut it for me

[econ21]

If the next TW game is going to use the RTW engine, as has been reported, I would imagine that it will be in a largely pre-gunpowder era. However, given that they have covered the ancient and medieval era, it's not obvious to me what era is left.

I hope CA don't move into fantasy, because - despite the complaints - I think they make the most fun historical wargames around. (They aim at mass market strategy games, but IMO are historical wargamers at heart and leave enough of the hardcore stuff in their games to satisfy that niche, at least after modding).

[Ianofsmeg16]

If the next TW game is going to use the RTW engine, as has been reported, I would imagine that it will be in a largely pre-gunpowder era. However, given that they have covered the ancient and medieval era, it's not obvious to me what era is left.

I hope CA don't move into fantasy, because - despite the complaints - I think they make the most fun historical wargames around. (They aim at mass market strategy games, but IMO are historical wargamers at heart and leave enough of the hardcore stuff in their games to satisfy that niche, at least after modding).

What about Napoleonic times, that can and is being implemented on the RTW engine, all they'd need to do was get the gunpowder animations which is basically just smoke, then ta da!

For fun reasons, i want a World War: Total War, it would be awesome, but hard to make.

[econ21]

What about Napoleonic times, that can and is being implemented on the RTW engine, all they'd need to do was get the gunpowder animations which is basically just smoke, then ta da!

Yeah, I guess. The "Lords" modders did it with MTW afterall. The Napoleonic era is certainly the most obvious era for another TW game, in terms of the suitability of the strategic situation - multiple Great Powers - and mass appeal. The commerical waters have been muddied a little by Cossacks 2 and Imperial Glory, although neither can hold a candle to a TW game IMO.
Being my favoriate era, I'd be happy to see the Napoleonic era selected.

But I rather fear that a Napoleonic Total War would be very ahistorical - with a RTW engine, I suspect battles would degenerate into rapid, melee scrummages. In reality, formation was everything and death by bayonet accounted for something like less than 1% of fatalities. If these fears are realised, I guess modders might be able to tweak it into something more historical.

[Ianofsmeg16]

Yeah, I guess. The "Lords" modders did it with MTW afterall. The Napoleonic era is certainly the most obvious era for another TW game, in terms of the suitability of the strategic situation - multiple Great Powers - and mass appeal. The commerical waters have been muddied a little by Cossacks 2 and Imperial Glory, although neither can hold a candle to a TW game IMO.
Being my favoriate era, I'd be happy to see the Napoleonic era selected.

But I rather fear that a Napoleonic Total War would be very ahistorical - with a RTW engine, I suspect battles would degenerate into rapid, melee scrummages. In reality, formation was everything and death by bayonet accounted for something like less than 1% of fatalities. If these fears are realised, I guess modders might be able to tweak it into something more historical.

Yeah, they should bring back Historical Campaigns, then one of them could be you acting out as Richard Sharpe fighting in the Penninsular war!

Also i thing the Lordz have cracked gunpowder for RTW aswell
Another thing i'd like to see...a more personalised feel to the units, basically just being able to name units "the Scots Greys" or the Famous "78th Highlanders" not just Line infantry or Heavy cavalry all the time

A Knights of honour-style camp map, with different levels
Level 1: Overview of the World: Huge map but only has province details and cities on it
Level 2: Continent Map: RTW Map at the moment, more detailed than lvl 1 with armies, spies and diplomats etc.
Level 3 : Country Map: Extremely detailed map with villages, towns and cities that all play a different role in running your country, also add Churches, farmhouses and Manor houses (another thing from KOH) onto this level
Battle map: Battle maps should be un-restricted or at least huge, ecompassing everything you see on level 3 into the battle map e.g. If you Can see Plymouth, Dartmoor and the severn estuary on Level 3 then all of that should be incorperated

Far more complex diplomacy system, e.g. Denmark would no just Spontainiously attack Britain if they had an alliance, it would ally with say France, wait for Britain to attack france then slowly break ff from britain.

Just my thoughts...anyone agree?

[Divinus Arma]

I think it should be Fantasy!
I think it should be no-franchise fantasy!

Then all CA must focus on is game play.
And all players must focus on is game play.
And all modders must focus on is game play.

It is hard enough (down!) to get a game history-correct or fun to play.

Those mods who focus on game play only, getting to abstracted from realism in RTW setting. Those who focus on realism only get little fun.

BI demo may be hint that they are thinking away from realism more, because units light up "level up" style when gain experience.

So this it what I think. all stats, weapon, region, faction, culture, mount, everything just designed for best possible game, not for correctness to be dissected.

I like history and learning and that as much as next man, but I like most a fun game!
And Total War Type Game is great!! potentially!!

Here's a puppet member if I ever saw one.

Abokasee, is that you?

[Ianofsmeg16]

Here's a puppet member if I ever saw one.

Abokasee, is that you?

[Gustav II Adolf]

I would love to see a game starting after where medieval ended. The years of early gunpowder and forward gives allot of variety in units and melee combat. Sadly it´s not an obvious era. My guess is Napoleon TW for the masses. Well, maybe american conquest or a world war TW could do it.

[yesdachi]

There is probably an entire untapped fan base/market out there for a fantasy total war and as the actual historical opportunities are becoming less (with new mods being made all the time) I think a fantasy game would be a natural progression and if done right it could be loads of fun.

[Elmar Bijlsma]

My €0.02 worth:

Franco-Prussian war and beyond is just a BAD idea, TW is about massed combat, the wars from then on aren't. Besides, if you want to play WW2 so bad, buy Combat Mission, it seriously rocks and still has the WW2 combat market cornered, just a shame there is no operational or strategic layer. Anyone thinking WW2 combat is 'easy' will soon be cured of that notion.

Napoleonics sure seems the likely contender though with Histwar: Grognards (again published by Battlefront, I love those guys!) coming up end of the year my Grognard wishes would be already fulfilled.

Fantasy could be cool, though it shouldn't be some randomly made up stuff. Ideally Tolkien but I think Activision holds the full rights now so chances of that would be slim to none. But Robert Jordan could be good. Heck, if done well I'd buy Discworld Total War.

But my strong preference by far goes to the many, many wars between Catholics v Protestants. Thrirty Years war and the many wars it spawned for example. That truly is an era of total war with oodles of factions, a good Catholics v Protestand backdrop and you'd get a good variety of units with swords and armour etc clinging on despite the rise of the firearm and pikes making their big comeback. Hmmm, pikes, maybe a bad idea unless CA fixed that particular mess. And relgious strife makes for good political backdrop. It could include the Inquisition. No one expects the Inquistion.
Big problem is that despite the good backdrop mass market appeal isn't that good. There's been a few recent games roughly in this era but the average gamer is still largely oblivious to this fascinating age. But apart from that, it would have anything. And hey, STW did the Japanese civil wars, hardly a known conflict, though then again that had Samourai, who are hot stuff in the mass market appeal factor. Them and Ninjas.

[Bartix]

Here's a puppet member if I ever saw one.

Abokasee, is that you?

Of course not at all!
I saw Abokasee Bartix thread before joining, and thought Bartix name cool.
(Sorry if I cause him trouble)

I get poo-poo here, yes. :embarrassed:

I think suggesting WW something is worthy of poo-poo. Not suiting concept.
Must have mix of range and hand to hand combat, formations, mounts, variation of armor and equipment, development of provinces+++

A Medieval remake OK, but I think Ca prove not capable or willing to make effort for history correctness. Obvious in game, and in comments of FAQ and org. Also total history correctness can make very un balanced or boring game play.
So I stay with my own proposition.
No need to have many magic or dragon or things, that is not meaning.
I just think freedom to make great game will be maximum this way.

[Leet Eriksson]

since the game ends 100 years behind the arab conquests, it would naturally be the next step CA takes the Total War series... The Islamic Conquests from 632 AD to the Norman conquests of britain in 1066 AD. or even start with a scenario prior to the islamic conquests, like the war between the Himyar (a yemeni kingdom that converted to judaism headed by Yusuf dhul Nawas) and Axum(christian ethopians headed by Kaleb) in 523 AD.

[Mahrabals apprentice]

I have a great idea

I live with 3 women, and we have 1 bathroom

Bathroom Total War (just like i experience every dam morning)

Who can get in first, who can used the mirror before it gets steamed up, who can leave the most towels on the floor, (and just for me, how badly can i miss the toilet when i pee)?

If u want violence and carnage and all out war this is the idea u will like

[sunsmountain]

Re-doing Shogun: Total War or Medieval: Total War has the unwanted side effect of sales in those games stopping. People will buy the better looking game if it's the same game otherwise.

It also wouldn't be very creative, with them being the Creative Assembly and all that. So my money is on fantasy, but I would buy a remake of Shogun and Medieval (both in 1 package). They already have all the artwork.

I hope CA don't move into fantasy, because - despite the complaints - I think they make the most fun historical wargames around.

I agree but historical is unnecessary in that equation.

(They aim at mass market strategy games, but IMO are historical wargamers at heart and leave enough of the hardcore stuff in their games to satisfy that niche, at least after modding).

That niche is about as big as the other. Ie, Historical Wargamers and Fantasy Wargamers are about the same size. Perhaps Fantasy Wargamers are even bigger due to World of Warcraft etc. because Blizzard paved the way there. It also means increased competition. Making an orc or an elf in the RomeTW may look nice to us, but crappy to any Warcraft III player (not as detailed or immersing).

Don't do fantasy though - i like having an idea of what does what; sword beats archer; archer beats light infantry, not Silver bullet legion beats vampire thing; dragon=elephant=owns

Well, i don't really like bullets, but silver swords would be nice if Vampires use claws, and they're both high level units. Obviously, in TW, you can't have immune to damage units. They would both need a rounded army roster and some cool background, but hell no it doesn't need to be historical.
You can still see the weapons they're carrying, can't you?

Biggest problem fantasy faces is how to incorporate Magic users? Maybe wizards like in Warhammer Fantasy Battle but there are always people who complain about them.
Tough choice for CA. They'll probably just make a mod like Macedon: Total War and essentially keep working on Rome: Total War because it's not finished! (AI, path-finding, etc.)

[Decebal]

i have just an idee ! they can make a next TW with the cruciades in all islamic regions This is history not fiction! i have not seen anyone say this!
Cruciade Total War or another name?




Sorry for my english

[Viking]

since the game ends 100 years behind the arab conquests, it would naturally be the next step CA takes the Total War series... The Islamic Conquests from 632 AD to the Norman conquests of britain in 1066 AD. or even start with a scenario prior to the islamic conquests, like the war between the Himyar (a yemeni kingdom that converted to judaism headed by Yusuf dhul Nawas) and Axum(christian ethopians headed by Kaleb) in 523 AD.

That`s a scary good idea. Either that, or time around Alexander the Great`s conquests would be just perfect for the next TW game.

[Galaahd]

What about a Total War from 30 Years War to Napoleonic Wars, or Crimean War?

The campaign map should be Europe, North-Africa and a little bit of East (Ottoman Empire...) but North America also (7 years war and Indipendence War...). With naval battles, of course

[hundurinn]

IMHO WW1 and WW2 would be foolish. Take for example MTW and RTW, both happened in a era that spanned hundred of years. WW1 took place between 1914-1948 and WW2 1939-1945. WW2 and WW1 have been used in too many games. Using the TW engine they have now would be impossible. The map would be HUGE even too big to play. Anything after Napoleon would be insane.

[MrWhipple]

I want STONE AGE: Total War (and all in caps like that too).
I want to see big hairy guys chucking rocks and spears at each other.
I want to see brontos and trexes running amok
I want to see brush fences burning in the moonlight
I want to see cave women weeping over dead children
But most of all I want to see all of the whiners on this forum quit crying because
it isn't historical.

[HarunTaiwan]

Better AI: TW



any region, any time period, just better AI, slower battles, and more tactics.

[Divinus Arma]

We can only hope that Colonies and Empires: Total War will be next. Is this evidence?:

From the Com:

Q: Will you in future TW games (if you continue the Franchise) be able to BUILD settlements? This would make the gameplay deeper so if there is a river nearby you could build it there and not need to build a dock. (It might require stronger fortifications from pirates and enemy factions though...)

A: Firstly, the Total War franchise will continue after Barbarian Invasion. Our designers are currently engaged in heated debates (or verbal punch-ups, it depends on your point of view) about the nature of the next Total War game. Now as to whether settlements will be built in the game (we presume you mean anywhere on the map): this would depend on the subject matter of the game. If such a mechanism were appropriate, then we would consider using it.

Hmmm. Please?

OHHHHHH the possibilities! Pirates, colonies, imperial line armies and cannon! The era is filled with historical evidence and very well documented. Imagine seiging the Fortresses of Neuf-Brisach or Spilberk! The fortresses of the time are so condusive to this idea.

CA, if you do this, PLEASE do it right. Rome was great. THIS could be legendary! The art, the music, the architecture, the changes in government, the changes in religion! What a time if strife, of growth, of ideas!

I would preorder this like a year in advance and forsake my social life for the following year.

There is also a TON of possibility for spinoffs on PC and console. The revolutions, the imperial declines, individual stories of heroes in the time...

Just do it right... like we know you will. No "Imperial Glory". Take your sweet time.