Trade question.

**dgfred** · 08-19-2005, 20:57

Originally Posted by yesdachi

I’m not completely sure with the mod but I think a land locked province can only generate trade with provinces it touches. A chain to the sea won’t do any good.

I've seen in other post that Merchants were not really worth building in
land-locked provinces. Trading is with adjacent provinces

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**BAD** · 08-19-2005, 21:39

Also the XL mod has seriously nerfed trade on the sea's because it was considered a massive player advantage. The AI always seriously mismanaged it's own trade network. But the farming etc. in XL mod was increased making the AI far more efficient.

**Shottie** · 08-19-2005, 21:42

@ BAD So I should be concentrating on farming? i just bribed the provence right under the allmoahs (cant spell) to have access to the trade there. I hope that wasnt a bad choice.

FUN FACT: I bribed El Cid. Is that possible? haha

**dgfred** · 08-19-2005, 21:45

Originally Posted by Shottie

@ BAD So I should be concentrating on farming? i just bribed the provence right under the allmoahs (cant spell) to have access to the trade there. I hope that wasnt a bad choice.

FUN FACT: I bribed El Cid. Is that possible? haha

Yes, I do it every time as Spain

, much better than fighting him
early

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**Geezer57** · 08-19-2005, 23:51

Originally Posted by Shottie

@ BAD So I should be concentrating on farming? i just bribed the provence right under the allmoahs (cant spell) to have access to the trade there. I hope that wasnt a bad choice.

Well, there are huge strategic benefits from having a good navy - the ability to reinforce any coastal province in your empire in a single turn, for example. And defending those same provinces from AI invasion. Although XL mod cuts trade income substantially, it's still possible to clear a profit (after deducting the maintenance costs of your fleet) from a well-managed trade setup.

You should concentrate on farming as your primary source of income in XL.

**Joshwa** · 08-21-2005, 21:50

They should have rivers in MTW that you can sail down, that would well rock

**Shottie** · 08-21-2005, 22:31

Agreed. They should have roads like RTW so trade can go through provence to provence and they out to the world throw a provence with a coast line and harbor etc.

**ichi** · 08-21-2005, 22:44

build merchants in every province with a good, as each florin counts. It may take time to amortize the cost, but its worth it after 10-20 turns.

ichi

ps and yes it would be cool if land-locked provinces could trade with neighboring provinces and not just internally

**Matty** · 08-22-2005, 15:03

Originally Posted by Geezer57

Well, there are huge strategic benefits from having a good navy - the ability to reinforce any coastal province in your empire in a single turn, for example. And defending those same provinces from AI invasion. Although XL mod cuts trade income substantially, it's still possible to clear a profit (after deducting the maintenance costs of your fleet) from a well-managed trade setup.

You should concentrate on farming as your primary source of income in XL.

I would (humbly) disagree. My economy was spluttering until I got extensive trade routes and friends with everyone.

BTW kudos to the developers of the XL mod. Really increased my enjoyment of the game. Well done

**Geezer57** · 08-22-2005, 19:57

Originally Posted by Matty

I would (humbly) disagree. My economy was spluttering until I got extensive trade routes and friends with everyone.

BTW kudos to the developers of the XL mod. Really increased my enjoyment of the game. Well done

Well, if you'll look again at my earlier post, I was pointing out the great advantages of a navy. But, especially in the early stages of growth for your empire, the return on trade investments, in my experience, tends to be lesser in XL than what you can get from farm inprovements. Oviously, there are exceptions - if you have lots of potential trading partners close by, you wouldn't have to build ports/shipyards/ships/traders so extensively to set up a good trade network.

Obviously, some navy is absolutely needed to guard your coastlines. But given that farm income is consistent, not dependent on the whims of your trading partners, etc., I'd still maintain that farming should take priority over trade. At least until a good farm base has been set up, then you can pick which source of income you feel will return the best yield for your investent.

**edyzmedieval** · 08-22-2005, 20:05

With a bit of modding, the trade can boom.

For example, I add spices and gems to Constantinople, and I made up to 15000 florins only from Constantinople.