Originally Posted by bmolsson
How about the citizens that DON'T want to work at all ?
well they better do something or ells they starve
Re: Democracy or Autocracy?
How about the citizens that DON'T want to work at all ?
well they better do something or ells they starve
Re: Democracy or Autocracy?
Now you're getting off-track from politics into economics when you're discussing work.
For a really complete examination of how complete democracy might function as well as a frank discussion of concerns such as people who wish not to contribute to the political process or to work, I highly recommend Peter Kropotkin's The Conquest of Bread.
"Dee dee dee!" - Annoymous (the "differently challenged" and much funnier twin of Anonymous)
Re: Democracy or Autocracy?
It's hardly possible to discuss politics without discussing economics. The two are one and the same, linked in so many ways. A country's economic situation often has direct control of its politcs, while the same is true in reverse.
Cowardice is to run from the fear;
Bravery is not to never feel the fear.
Bravery is to be terrified as hell;
But to hold the line anyway.
Re: Democracy or Autocracy?
Not at all. They start a party and all not wanting to work at all will soon end up in majority position and tell everyone that works to pay more taxes. They will invent progressive tax and make bullshit stories that "they can afford" and "they should have solidarity"........well they better do something or ells they starve
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I had to vote Gah. The Estates of the Scottish Parliament is quite an ingenius plan for government, however. Landowners and lords, representatives of the kirk, burgh commissioners. It is estimated that 2000-3000 people could take a seat, but only about 200 ever did.
This sort of make up would be the best, I say. The great unwashed masses are uneducated and too easily influenced by the media.
It was not theirs to reason why,
It was not theirs to make reply,
It was theirs but to do or die.
-The Charge of the Light Brigade - Alfred, Lord Tennyson
"Wherever this stone shall lie, the King of the Scots shall rule"
-Prophecy of the Stone of Destiny
"For God, For King and country, For loved ones home and Empire, For the sacred cause of justice, and The freedom of the world, They buried him among the kings because he, Had done good toward God and toward his house."
-Inscription on the Tomb of the Unknown Warrior
Re: Democracy or Autocracy?
Those with the proper knowledge of governance.
Common Unreflected Drinking Only Smartens
Re: Democracy or Autocracy?
Autocracy can be both the best form of government and the worst, it all depends on who's in charge. That's why I chose democracy, it's largely inefficient, complicated and inherently conservative (even when changes have to be made to assure the wellbeing of the people) but it's still the best thing we've got.
Yes, Iraq is peaceful. Go to sleep now. - Adrian II
Re: Democracy or Autocracy?
Republic.
Votership should be fairly restricted however. I tend to agree with some of Heinlein's models.
1. Votership restricted to those who have served a term of federal service -- but current federal service employees may not vote.
2. A significant but not exhorbitant poll tax and quiz requiring the voter to display some basic knowledge of the sciences, current issues in that election, and/or their own form of government. If you pass, you get a full refund and the right to vote in that election. If you fail, they keep the poll tax and you don't vote.
Restrictions based upon wealth, age, gender, ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, height, weight, size of coupling appartus or whatnot can only be discriminatory in a perjorative sense.
I suspect none of these will ever come to fruition, so I favor the system of which I am a part over other republican forms -- its the best I can see.
Seamus
"The only way that has ever been discovered to have a lot of people cooperate together voluntarily is through the free market. And that's why it's so essential to preserving individual freedom.” -- Milton Friedman
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." -- H. L. Mencken
Re: Democracy or Autocracy?
The ruling class should be the military, who cooperate with industrialists for the betterment of the nation.
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sieg heil?............. sorry couldnt resist saying that
Anyway man, you really are anti-intellectual arent you?
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And are you in the miitary, or do you plan to be?
"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." -Einstein
Re: Democracy or Autocracy?
wow, you really dont have high thoughts of the masses do you? you know, every human has a self-preservation urge inside them.Not at all. They start a party and all not wanting to work at all will soon end up in majority position and tell everyone that works to pay more taxes. They will invent progressive tax and make bullshit stories that "they can afford" and "they should have solidarity"........
Re: Democracy or Autocracy?
Well, it's not so much my thoughts as reality. Just look at the French.....
Re: Democracy or Autocracy?
Democracy (in it's current form) has not been around long enough to judge whether it is successful or not.
Last edited by Grey_Fox; 08-23-2005 at 18:20.
Re: Democracy or Autocracy?
Ouch, how evil of you. *looks around for French people* Well they havent attacked you yet!Well, it's not so much my thoughts as reality. Just look at the French.....
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