Historical Accuracy: How Important Is It to You?

[Steppe Merc]

Hey, stirrups are important. If someone puts them in before they are used, it shows their foolishness and ignorance.

[The Hun]

Hey, stirrups are important. If someone puts them in before they are used, it shows their foolishness and ignorance.

This begins sound pathetic now. Why are stirrups important but all men looking same like identical twins is ok? You don't like game yet you speak all this calling foolish and ignorant. This I think is foolish, if you want accurate game you can make accurate game. My guess is CA want to sell games.

[Steppe Merc]

I am helping to make an accurate game, thank you very much.

Perhaps you don't think stirrups are important. I do. I find it extremely irrating when people assume stirrups are needed for cavalry warfare, or have stirrups before they were used. It is like having a 17th century musketteer equipped with a 19th century repeating rifle.

Oh, and how by not having stirrups would CA lose money? In fact, they loose money by having stirrups, do to people like me.

[The Hun]

I am helping to make an accurate game, thank you very much.

Perhaps you don't think stirrups are important. I do. I find it extremely irrating when people assume stirrups are needed for cavalry warfare, or have stirrups before they were used. It is like having a 17th century musketteer equipped with a 19th century repeating rifle.

Oh, and how by not having stirrups would CA lose money? In fact, they loose money by having stirrups, do to people like me.

Fine, carry on and make the accurate game. There are things like this over and over and it will not change so why keep bringing up such things? It will not change. You do not like the game for sure so play the accurate game.

CA are interested more in sales than little points such as stirrups is what I meant but I think you knew that already.

[Steppe Merc]

Seamus Fermanagh, stirrups weren't needed for a powerful charge. Heavy cavalry was in used in the East hundreds of years before stirrups were in use.

[Lord Adherbal]

IIRC stirrups are especially usefull so you can stand up in the saddle, making it easier to attack infantry when they get close. I don't think it has much to do with charge. I mean they don't use their feet to hold the impact of a charge do they ? You'd still be blown out of your saddle if you did just that. I think it's the special saddle that makes a charge possible or not.

[caesar44]

Fine, carry on and make the accurate game. There are things like this over and over and it will not change so why keep bringing up such things? It will not change. You do not like the game for sure so play the accurate game.

CA are interested more in sales than little points such as stirrups is what I meant but I think you knew that already.

The hun ,
For me , accuracy is very important but mainly in the diplomatic and the strategic levels . EB ? they wants their accuracy , it is their right...I will bett you that in their mod you even going to see the horses making their body wastes...I don't know about the smell...

[TB666]

Historical accuracy improves the first two, not lessens them.

Only to some does it improve.
RTR is proof that historical accuracy doesn't improve gameplay or make it more fun for most people.

Oh, and how by not having stirrups would CA lose money? In fact, they loose money by having stirrups, do to people like me.

Most people don' care about stirrups since it doesn't affect gameplay.
Yes maybe CA would lose money over historical nit-pickers but lucky for CA that is a very small group. The money they lose from you they easily make up by the mainstream audience so you can see that you are in a very powerless group.
CA is making a game that is profitable, you may like it or not but that's the way it is. Without it, no more TW and we are all back to Warcraft and other resource gathering games.
However you should consider yourself very lucky that CA has made the game moddable enough for this tiny group to mod the game so that they will get their accuracy.
CA has tried to make the game as accurate they can be and still make the game fun enough for the mainstream audience

[Steppe Merc]

IIRC stirrups are especially usefull so you can stand up in the saddle, making it easier to attack infantry when they get close. I don't think it has much to do with charge. I mean they don't use their feet to hold the impact of a charge do they ? You'd still be blown out of your saddle if you did just that. I think it's the special saddle that makes a charge possible or not.

Agreed. And it's helpful for horse archers as well, but hardly necassary.

However you should consider yourself very lucky that CA has made the game moddable enough for this tiny group to mod the game so that they will get their accuracy.

Oh, yeah, it's so moddable.
If CA had made it moddable, I wouldn't be complaining. But the amount of hardcoding idiotic things that CA has created gives everyone the right to complain.

Only to some does it improve.
RTR is proof that historical accuracy doesn't improve gameplay or make it more fun for most people.

So, by looking at one mod you can proove than all historical mods are boring? Good job.

Yes maybe CA would lose money over historical nit-pickers but lucky for CA that is a very small group. The money they lose from you they easily make up by the mainstream audience so you can see that you are in a very powerless group.

Very small? Do you have any idea the amount of people intrested in EB, RTR and similar mods?

CA has tried to make the game as accurate they can be and still make the game fun enough for the mainstream audience

Bull shit. History makes a game more fun, not less. Only CA denies that, and you've bought their lies. Stirrups will not make a game less fun. Having no screaming women or vampire slaying priests make a game more fun.
CA is out for money, yes. So don't claim that they try and make a game accurate.

[TB666]

Oh, yeah, it's so moddable.
If CA had made it moddable, I wouldn't be complaining. But the amount of hardcoding idiotic things that CA has created gives everyone the right to complain.

CA has their reason to hardcode certain things but most things you need to make it accurate is open.

So, by looking at one mod you can proove than all historical mods are boring? Good job.

That is pretty much the only one there is for the time being.
Most mods don't aim to be 100% accurate like RTR.
EB isn't out yet so I won't comment on the fun factor on that mod.

Very small? Do you have any idea the amount of people intrested in EB, RTR and similar mods?

Yes I do and they are in the minority of the buyers.

Bull shit. History makes a game more fun, not less. Only CA denies that, and you've bought their lies. Stirrups will not make a game less fun. Having no screaming women or vampire slaying priests make a game more fun.
CA is out for money, yes. So don't claim that they try and make a game accurate.

I never said having stirrups would make the game more fun, I said it won't increase or decrease anything.
Screaming women and other of the "fantasy" units are no fun to you and you can remove them if you like it but they are fun to others.
And yes I do claim they tried to make a game accurate, the flaming pigs, germans that can form phalanx are accurate, sure the pigs were only used once and that the germans didn't form a perfect phalanx but they were actually used and that is what makes them fun.
But the majority of the buyers aren't here to state their thoughts of the game so this will remain the battle among the minorities.

[Ciaran]

[...]Yes maybe CA would lose money over historical nit-pickers but lucky for CA that is a very small group. The money they lose from you they easily make up by the mainstream audience so you can see that you are in a very powerless group.[...]

Actuall, they didn´t lose money on him, he bought the game, after all. Whether he likes it or not is of little consequence for the current sales number.
And face it, the times where computer games were a niche product are gone for good, the current gaming industry figures about 30 billion $. The publishers are interested in games they can sell to a broad market and not highly risky hardcore-fan products, so expect anything that´s distributed on a larger scale to be somewhat mainstream-compatible, more or less. Rome, for that matter, already is quite a specialized game, as Activision´s CEO I´d been rather sceptical about it´s chances. Yes, there are a couple of fan forums, but try and estimate the total number of real hardcore fans, you´ll probably not get all that high. Plus, there´s all those buyers who never made it to any of the forums.