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    Actually then it is the 14th day of the month of Shravan, 1927 according to the saka calendar which is the Indian National Calendar.

    The Saka calendar is a lunar system and each of the 12 lunar months ends on a new month. The calendar begins the day after the new moon that ends the ninth lunar month. This always coincides with the Gregorian March. The Saka year numbering system is 78 years behind the Gregorian year ie it stated in the year 78ACE.

    For those interested the Saka's are the Saurotomae.
    The Scythians inhabiting Central Asia at the time of Herodotus (5th century B.C.) consisted of 4 main branches known as the MassaGatae, Sacae, Alani, and Sarmatians, sharing a common language, ethnicity and culture. Ancient Greek (e.g. Herodotus, Pliny, Plotemy, Arrian) and Persian sources (Darius's
    historians) from the 5th century place the MassaGatea as the most southerly group in the Central Asian steppe.

    The earliest Scythians who entered the northern regions of South Asia were from this group. Historians derive "Jat" fom "Gatae", "Ahir" from "Avar", "Saka" from "Scythii", "Gujjar" from "Khazar","Thakur" from "Tukharian", "Saurashtra" from "Saura Matii" or "Sarmatians", "Sisodia" (a Rajput clan) from Sassanian", "Madra" from "Medes", "Trigartta" from "Tyri Getae"and "Sulika" from "Seleucids".

    Some of these Saka tribes entered northwest Southasia through the Khyber pass, others through the more southerly Bolan pass which opens into Dera Ismail Khan in Sindh. From here some invading groups went north, others went south, and others further east. This explains why some Jat, Gujjar and Rajput clans claim descent from Rajasthan (Chauhan, Powar, Rathi, Sial etc.) while others from Afghanistan (e.g. Mann, Her, Bhullar, Gill, Bajwa, Sandhu, etc.). This is supported by the fact that the oldest Rajput geneologies (10th
    centuries) do not extend into the northwest's Gandharan Buddhist period (400 BCE - 900 ACE)

    The different races of the Scythians which succesively appeared as conquerors in theborder provinces of Persian and India are the following in the order of arrival: Sakas orSacae (the Su or Sai of the Chinese), Kushans (the great Yue-Chi (Yuti) of the Chinese), Kiddarite or later Kushans (the little Yue-chi of the Chinese) and finally the Epthalites or White Huns (the Yetha of the Chinese).

    Down to this day, the very name of the region `Gujarat' is derived from the name `Khazar', whilst `Saurashtra' denotes `Sun-worshipper', a common term for the Scythians.
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    I don't think that the Huns were Iranians. The Epthalites probably absorbed Iranian tribes, but Huns themselves weren't Iranians.
    In additon the Yueh Chi may not have been Iranian speakers, and I don't think the Kushans were either, though I'm not sure.

    And the Saka are a seperate tribe of Iranians from the Scythians and Sarmatians, I believe.

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    I think Bactrian, or a variant of it was the language of the Kushans.

    We don't really know what the ethnic origin of the Huns. The names that come down to us have been altered by Roman and Byzantine writers, and include many Gothic names as well. They may have been Turkic or Magyar, but some do suggest that they were Scythian.
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    Given the name of the game, the EB folks (and CA for that matter) might follow Duke C's suggestion and just label it all in AUC.

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    Sorry for going way of topic, but why change the terms for Before Christ etc, when you are still using a chrisian calander. It still revolves around the birth of Christ, so why try to change the name to hide its true identity....


    Also i have never, heard of it as Befor/after cristian era.

    In history books it is B.C.E(before common era) and AD has remained unchanged(atleast in mine, and according to my history teacher...).

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    I use BCE and CE because not only am I not a Christian, I'm an Orthodox Jew, and I would prefer not to refer to a year as "Year of Our Lord" or "Before the Messiah", even if it's in another language and abbreviated. It smacks of blasphemy, even though it obviously isn't actually blasphemy, even by Judaism's rather strict standards. As far as normal people go, yeah, I could see why you'd think it's overly PC.
    Quote Originally Posted by amritochates
    BCE: Before the Christian Era
    ACE:After Christian Era


    ref:http://www.stands4.com/bc.asp?c=TIMEZONES
    We are not, however, after the Christian era, we are in it. Thus "CE". If you consult a source that doesn't include every abbreviation anyone's ever used anywhere, such as the AHD, you will find CE but not ACE, because ACE is vanishingly rare. Only if you search something like Acronym Finder, which lists pretty much everything, will you ever find ACE. CE can be found in any authoritative general-purpose dictionary. Notice that the Wikipedia article you linked to doesn't even mention the variant.

    Basically, ACE is really rare and logically makes no sense. Everyone uses CE.
    Quote Originally Posted by amritochates
    in fact our english is gramatically more accurate than the native speakers themselves(A fact that repeats itself with all languages with non-native speakers being in a majority of cases gramatically more sound)
    That comes as a surprise to me after having spoken to quite a number of Indian customer service representatives for various companies, but your English seems to be pretty good, certainly. According to this, "in the 1991 census, . . . about 11% of those polled . . . claimed that English was their first, second or third language." That suggests to me that either a) Indians tend to learn a ton of languages, or b) not many Indians are fluent in English, at least as of 15 years ago. Also, this says "English is spoken as a second language by somewhere between 50 and 250 million Indians", but not spoken as a primary or "native" language by pretty much anyone. It cites the Ethnologue, which is pretty reputable, although a cursory look at their website doesn't give me any useful info.
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