Pat Robertson proves once and for all that he's really the Anti-Christ

[Aenlic]

Robertson calls for assassination of Venezuela's Chavez

A self-proclaimed Christian calling for the assassination of someone. Is that a Christian thing to say? I'm just curious, not being a Christian. Wouldn't premeditated murder make baby Jesus cry? And yet, people "beeeeleeeev!" and send this idiot large amounts of money to keep spouting his insanity.

[Ser Clegane]

Well ... I have seen pretty much the same statement made on this board some time ago.

Does Robertson have relatives on this board, is he a patron himself? ... curious

[Aenlic]

Oh! Heh, I just tried to imagine Pat Robertson playing MTW. The first time he was invaded by a Muslim nation he'd be off to appear on his TV show calling the guys at CA "tools of the devil" and calling for their assassinations or praying for God to "Take them out" as he did regarding the more liberal members of the U.S. Supreme Court. Imagine him playing the English and getting taken out by the French. That would really chap his ass.

[Kaiser of Arabia]

Well ... I have seen pretty much the same statement made on this board some time ago.

Does Robertson have relatives on this board, is he a patron himself? ... curious

I confess, I think he had a good idea here. (i.e. takes cover behind 4 other patrons)

[Del Arroyo]

Americans do use alot more sarcasm and subtlety than, well, at least Mexicans. I know that whever I speak to Mexicans (educated or not) I have to turn sarcasm off and say what I mean.

The Mexican sense of humor is more geared toward word play and penis jokes. I suspect this may be largely true of the rest of the Latin world.

DA

[Soulforged]

Americans do use alot more sarcasm and subtlety than, well, at least Mexicans. I know that whever I speak to Mexicans (educated or not) I have to turn sarcasm off and say what I mean.

The Mexican sense of humor is more geared toward word play and penis jokes. I suspect this may be largely true of the rest of the Latin world.

DA

Or you're sadly right!! But it's real good, what makes more fun than sexuality.

[BDC]

Americans do use alot more sarcasm and subtlety than, well, at least Mexicans. I know that whever I speak to Mexicans (educated or not) I have to turn sarcasm off and say what I mean.

The Mexican sense of humor is more geared toward word play and penis jokes. I suspect this may be largely true of the rest of the Latin world.

DA

I feel exactly the same talking to Americans...

[Shahed]

R O F L M F A O

Well ... I have seen pretty much the same statement made on this board some time ago.

Does Robertson have relatives on this board, is he a patron himself? ... curious

[Hurin_Rules]

I thought Relax was about masturbation.

But I was also referring to the video: some people had been asking whether it would be a good idea for W. and Saddam to have had a duel to decide things. In Frankie Goes to Hollywood's video, Reagan and the Russian leader (its not Gorbachev, is it? Can't remember) have a big fight, so I thought the reference was appropriate.


Anyway, one more thing about Robertson's insane rant has struck me. He says Chavez is turning his land into a haven for communism and Muslim extremism. Communism AND Muslim extremism? Now that would be quite a feat. Last I checked, there weren't a lot of Muslims in Venezuela, and communism and Muslim extremism are not natural allies. The Soviets and Communist Chinese are not big fans of radical Islam, let me tell you. How exactly were Muslims supposed to flourish in a state that is officially atheist and denies the existence of God? Or was Robertson just speaking out of complete ignorance, as I suspect is more likely the case.

[Taffy_is_a_Taff]

Christianity seems to be doing ok in China.

And elements of the European left and the nutjob section of Islam seem to be getting on just fine.

[Red Harvest]

Anyway, one more thing about Robertson's insane rant has struck me. He says Chavez is turning his land into a haven for communism and Muslim extremism. Communism AND Muslim extremism? Now that would be quite a feat. Last I checked, there weren't a lot of Muslims in Venezuela, and communism and Muslim extremism are not natural allies. The Soviets and Communist Chinese are not big fans of radical Islam, let me tell you. How exactly were Muslims supposed to flourish in a state that is officially atheist and denies the existence of God? Or was Robertson just speaking out of complete ignorance, as I suspect is more likely the case.

Yep, I was chuckling over that too. Of course he was speaking out of complete ignorance. He wanted to dismantle the Dept. of Education when he was running for President, LOL.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Yep, I was chuckling over that too

Shows you what a nut job this guy is when he has me agreeing with Hurin and Red Harvest. How many have been converted to Islam since Chavez took over?

[Navaros]

Robertson may be getting senile, but one odd comment certainly does not qualify him as being "the Anti-Christ"

[Aenlic]

Just one odd comment?

The man keeps a pad of yellow legal-sized paper and writes down the personal messages frm God on it. I've seen him refer to it on his TV show.

Only one odd comment? Let's see.

He has stated that in a meeting with Bush prior to the invasion of Iraq, the president told him there would be no casualties. A claim the White House denies. For once, I believe the White House.

He has stated on the air that activist judges are more of a threat to America than terrorists.

He said on his show that a small nuke at the State Department in Foggy Bottom would shake things up.

He has said that the Quran teaches violence, which is incorrect. Odd coming from a man who openly espouses the killing of foreign leaders, wouldn't you say? I'm reasonably certain the Christian Bible doesn't allow for that kind of thing. Does it?

Calling him the anti-Christ is hyperbole. Yep. But no more than the hyperble he spouts on an almost daily basis. Senile? No. He's been saying crap like this for years. It isn't senility. It's the person.

[Adrian II]

I don't know any more about your anti-Christ than I do about your God, but Robertson's speech merely shows that religiously inspired terrorism is alive in the U.S. and it is not just islamic.

[Ser Clegane]

It's actually quite sad that looneys like him draw that much attention and - due to the air-time they get - have an out-of-proportion share in how people perceive religion, while many others - of all kinds of religions - who quietly and selflessly help other people in the name of their religion (and who represent the spirit of their religions in a more truthful way) often disappear as "background noise".

[Ser Clegane]

Those quiet altruists offset their value to society by promoting ignorant and backwards notions like Intelligent Design.

That might be the case in the US, but quite frankly, I personally don't know any person, no matter of which religion, who actively promoted, e.g., Intelligent Design.
They might believe in it, but that's completely their business not mine.

There would be altruists with or without religion.

Of course there would be, but religions that actually teach and promote altruism are likely to increase the number of altruists.
OTOH, one could argue that somebody like Pat Robertson would very likely be in favour of "taking out" Chavez even if he was an atheist.

[Navaros]

Robertson is saying a lot of whacky stuff so i'm not gonna defend him

however i just read the article in full and on this particular point, he is correct:

We don't need another $200 billion war to get rid of one strong-arm dictator. It's a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with."

it certainly is a lot cheaper to assasinate a leader rather than start a war

in fact the USA tried to use missiles to assasinate Saddam at the start of the War on Iraq. and they called it a "decapitation strike" (how ironic is that ). this shows us that USA does indeed place high value on killing leaders ASAP.

note: this is just an observation. i do not mean to imply that anything needs to be done about the guy Robertson is talking about.

[Spetulhu]

He has stated that in a meeting with Bush prior to the invasion of Iraq, the president told him there would be no casualties. A claim the White House denies. For once, I believe the White House.

Is the White House denying that the meeting took place? Or did this lunatic actually get to meet the President?

[Shaka_Khan]

Is the White House denying that the meeting took place? Or did this lunatic actually get to meet the President?

That's scary.

[Red Harvest]

It is wrong for someone claiming to be a spiritual leader to be calling for assassination of legitimate heads of state. It's no better than if he was Mullah Robertson. Of course, Robertson's brand of religious fanatacism is what McCain spoke out against and took a drubbing for from the GOP voters.

Chavez is a bit nuts, and I don't like his politics (despite wanting to see reform), but unless he does some things that clearly put him out in former Qaddafi/Saddam territory, calling for his assassination is going a bit far.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

A self-proclaimed Christian calling for the assassination of someone. Is that a Christian thing to say? I'm just curious, not being a Christian. Wouldn't premeditated murder make baby Jesus cry?

We have the death penalty here andI believe most govenors who sign these are Christains. Being a christain doesnt make you better or more morale than anybody else. Theres all kinds of christains.

I'm reasonably certain the Christian Bible doesn't allow for that kind of thing. Does it?

The old testament certainly does.

He has stated on the air that activist judges are more of a threat to America than terrorists.

He may be correct.

He said on his show that a small nuke at the State Department in Foggy Bottom would shake things up.

You dont think it would?

He has said that the Quran teaches violence, which is incorrect.

No its not.

Assasination should be a last resort. If wars were that easy, the army would be out of a job.

So you may agree with him but not yet?

in fact the USA tried to use missiles to assasinate Saddam at the start of the War on Iraq. and they called it a "decapitation strike" (how ironic is that ). this shows us that USA does indeed place high value on killing leaders ASAP.

In fact we assasinated his two children.

Look Robertson is a bit of a kook . It doesnt matter what his religion is he woud still feel the same. IF Chavez was really a threat to the US or if he were murdering people like Saddam in his own country I would support assasinating him. Right now he is just a pain in the butt.

[Aenlic]

Well, now that the local helmeted smacktards have come out to play; we can pretty much assume this thread is over.

[Redleg]

Well, now that the local helmeted smacktards have come out to play; we can pretty much assume this thread is over.

Again look who is playing at being an child and claiming to be an adult.

So you want to attack others belief systems - but want yours to be left alone. LOL - very sterotypical behavior on your part.

[Steppe Merc]

It's quite easy to take insults... that way, it's more fair to throw insults.

[Hurin_Rules]

I think perhaps a more interesting question is, "Is there any room in Christian theology for assassination for political/economic reasons?"

I would contend there is not. One could perhaps try to get some mileage by taking quotes from the NT out of context or pointing to the OT, but to me, it is absolutely clear that Jesus would have abhorred such things. I'm not a Christian, but I know that Jesus was a man of peace, and I also know that Robertson's words violate the spirit of Jesus' teachings.

[KafirChobee]

I think perhaps a more interesting question is, "Is there any room in Christian theology for assassination for political/economic reasons?"

I would contend there is not. One could perhaps try to get some mileage by taking quotes from the NT out of context or pointing to the OT, but to me, it is absolutely clear that Jesus would have abhorred such things. I'm not a Christian, but I know that Jesus was a man of peace, and I also know that Robertson's words violate the spirit of Jesus' teachings.

And, that in fact is the point.
I really don't see anyone slamming Christianity - so much as questioning how those identifying with Christian dogma can support a Jihadist like Roberts. A person, regardless of faith that uses "scripture" (or their own standing in a religious community) to insite the racism and prejudices of other like minded people is a terrorist, and should be treated as such.

Were Roberts words to have come out of the mouth of a Moslum jihadist, he would certainly be on a watch list. Maybe he is - doubt it though, people that meet with "W" are generally considered like minded and bullet proof to the rules of law.