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    Default Re: Pat Robertson proves once and for all that he's really the Anti-Christ

    Quote Originally Posted by ichi
    Thou shalt not kill, unless the son of a bitch is a godless communist or Muslim or pisses you off
    Actually it states something a little different and there is some question concerning the English Interpation of the orginal Hebrew Text.

    The King James Verision of the Bible does indeed stated - Thou shall not kill.


    A Biblical scholar writes

    The sixth commandment: You shall not murder

    a. Some have wondered how God can approve both capital punishment (Exodus 19:12) and this prohibition of murder. The simple answer is that in Hebrew as well as English, there is a distinction between to kill and to murder
    b. Murder is the taking of life without legal justification (execution after due process) or moral justification (killing in defense)

    c. Jesus carefully explained the heart of this commandment; it prohibits us from hating another also (Matthew 5:21-26). We can wish someone dead in our hearts, yet never have the "courage" to commit the deed - we aren't to be praised for such a lack of courage, when the heart is filled with hatred!
    and then another source that goes back to the Hebrew text of the 10 commandments

    6th Commandment; Verse 13: "Thou shalt not kill."

    The Hebrew word "ratsach" is translated as "kill" in the King James Version, Revised Standard Version, American Standard Version, and some other translations of the Bible. However, it is difficult to apply this in practice. Killing chickens and beef cattle is legal now as it was in biblical times. Nobody today is concerned about pulling vegetables from the garden, even though it kills them. The word "ratsach" is commonly believed to describe the premeditated killing of a human. It requires that the victim be a human being. Many other translations translate "ratsach" as "murder" in this verse.

    This Commandment is not absolute. Not all murders are forbidden. Hebrew Scriptures specify many grounds for which this commandment is to be ignored, and a guilty party executed. Persons found guilty of temple prostitution, engaged women who are seduced by a man other than her future husband, women who practice black magic, some women who are raped in urban areas, children who cursed their parents, some non-virgin brides, Jews who collect firewood on Saturday to keep their families from freezing, persons proselytizing in favor of another religion, persons worshiping a deity other than Yahweh, strangers who entered the temple, etc; all were to be executed.

    A few centuries ago, it was believed that male sperm contained large numbers of tiny babies which only required a woman's womb to grow and be born. Under that belief system, masturbation could be considered an act of mass murder. We now know that pregnancy requires conception, and that a unique DNA is formed at that time. But society has never reached a consensus on the definition of when human personhood begins. Unfortunately, the Ten Commandments and the rest of the Bible appears to be ambiguous on this matter. Thus, it does not help us decide about when, if ever, abortions are acceptable. If the Bible had defined when the start of personhood occurs, there might not be so much conflict over abortion today.

    There are tens of thousands of violations of this commandment yearly in North America. Most are done by criminals who shoot people. A few dozen murders are committed by civil servants, who are employed by the state to kill inmates on death row with premeditation. Soldiers are often called upon to murder other humans, sometimes in self-defense, and other times in order to achieve a military objective. There are other biblical passages and a great deal of theological reasoning which have provided justification for the latter two actions.

    Joshua and his army violated this commandment on numerous occasional as they marched through Canaan, apparently with God's approval. They were often ordered by God to commit genocide by killing every Pagan man, woman, youth, child, and newborn who lived in various cities of Canaan.

    Some pacifist Christians take this commandment very seriously. They will not violate this commandment, even during times of war. Quakers, Mennonites and others are frequently able to volunteer for alternate service during wartime in order to conform to this commandment.

    Historically, many Christian groups interpreted the Commandment as if it read "Thou shalt not murder people inside your group." The Christian Church has committed genocide many times in its history, exterminating such groups as the Cathars and Knights Templar. Starting in the late 15th century and continuing for 300 years, both Protestants and Roman Catholics rounded up heretics. "witches," and suspected Satan worshipers; the church executed many tens of thousands of them -- often by burning them alive. The Crusades against the Muslims are another indication of the misuse of this Commandment. Defenseless Jews and Muslims were massacred by the invading armies. In recent times, Serbian Orthodox Christians organized a major religiously-motivated genocide in Bosnia-Herzegovina, largely against Muslims.

    The Westminster Larger Catechism extends this commandment to include the "immoderate use of meat, drink, labor, and recreations; provoking words, oppression, quarreling," etc. It is not clear how they expanded the meaning of this verse to such an extreme.
    http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_10c9.htm

    Pat Robertson is completely wrong on this.

    Attacking Christianity because of one individual knucklehead's comments because he has confused his religion with his politics is also sterotypical nonsense

    Some of you are committing the same fallacies as Pat Robertson in your logic.

    Its really rather amusing - should I attack some liberial idealog in such a way - many of you would scream that that idealog does not represent all liberal thought - and you would be correct. But when it comes to Christianity - many of you lose your ability to reason.

    Ah passion is nice - but sterotypical attacks well are just that.
    Last edited by Redleg; 08-23-2005 at 16:29.
    O well, seems like 'some' people decide to ruin a perfectly valid threat. Nice going guys... doc bean

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