Pc Rpg

**Efrem** · 08-24-2005, 08:04

Vampires the Masquarade: Bloodlines

If you've never played this game you don't deserve to call yourself a pc gamer.

**Meneldil** · 08-24-2005, 10:26

BG II is indeed the best PC RPG ever. If you're willing to try this one, you might want to try Bladur's Gate 1 first, since the 2 games are linked (basically, that's the same story, with the same character, and if you finish BG I, you'll be able to import your character to BG II)
If you have a PS one or PS2, try out Final Fantasy 7 (my favorite game ever) or 9, they are well worth it, if you don't dislike japanese games. FF 8 and 10 are kinda sucky IMHO, but I know some people enjoyed them aswell.

**doc_bean** · 08-24-2005, 10:38

I second VTM: Bloodlines.

I've been playing Anachronox lately (it's on budget) and it's okay if you don't mind a lot of running around to find the right item/switch/character. I've been meaning to write a full review once I finish it (mostly for myself, i don't think anyone really cares about this old game

)

Baldur's Gate II is really hard to find these days, at least in the shops.

IIRC the last Final Fantasy game on the PC was FF7 (except the online one, FF11 I think) and it's fantastic, although the game itself is nearly ten years old and probably won't look to good by today's standards.
You can play older Final Fantasy's on emulators, but I'm not sure how legal that is where you live, and therefor, I won't recommend it. Although ff6 is also quite good. (For the record, downloading iis still legal in Belgium, at least for now.)

Another console style rpg converted to the pC is Grandia 2 (again, quite old, 2000 on the DC iirc), which has one of the best combat systems in a console rpg that I've seen. I didn't really care for the story, and if you're a die hard christian (or Muslim of Jew) it might really rub you the wrong way.

**econ21** · 08-24-2005, 11:36

The best recent CRPG is Vampire: Bloodlines. I was initially put off by being a Vampire, but it is brilliantly done - at least in my case, you end up feeling and behaving like a vampire. Some of the NPCs are very well characterised - one, Jack, is more vividly drawn in just the tutorial than most NPCs are in entire CRPGs. The side-plots are innovative and far from hack n slash (although the end game does degenerate into that).

Of the older games, the two series that stand out as all time greats are Baldur's Gate and Fallout. They also have interesting NPCs and sideplots, but better combat (especially BG, where the combat is so rich it is like a good squad tactics game) and a more epic, free-form world to roam in. In both cases, the second in the series is the better but there are strong plot reasons to play them in order (plus the improvements in the second will spoil it for you if you have to subsequently play the first).

**Sjakihata** · 08-24-2005, 11:55

Gothic II is a great singleplayer only game. Set in a medieval fantasy world - but still very realistic. It's better than morrowind in my opinion, as the world seems much more alive. And it WILL suck you in - after you learned to control the battle system.

**Conqueror** · 08-24-2005, 15:30

Baldur's Gate series is good but Planescape: Torment is better. It has amazing story & characters and excellent dialogue. Mind you, it is not a traditional pseudo-medieval fantasy setting, but a much more "fantastical" one. And you better be willing to spend a *lot* of time just having conversations with NPCs.

**SwordsMaster** · 08-24-2005, 21:13

In addition to VTM:Bloodlines I suggest you to try The Bard's Tale. It's Baldur's Gate 2 style but funnier....

**Lehesu** · 08-25-2005, 00:32

Neg on Vampires. Computer isn't up to snuff. 'Tis a low-end shopping list for me.

**Mount Suribachi** · 09-05-2005, 21:31

Originally Posted by Conqueror

Baldur's Gate series is good but Planescape: Torment is better. It has amazing story & characters and excellent dialogue. Mind you, it is not a traditional pseudo-medieval fantasy setting, but a much more "fantastical" one. And you better be willing to spend a *lot* of time just having conversations with NPCs.

Thanks for those links, I've played PST all the way through to completion and never came across either of those dialogue threads

I also highly recommend PST to the list of the RPGs to play. One poster complained of getting stuck in the first city and giving up - I too did that. Thankfully I tried it again a couple of years later and got straight into it no problems. I think because it takes the BG engine and twists it, its very hard to get used to. Once I figured out how everything worked I really got into it.

The character development system is superb, unlike virtually every other RPG before KOTOR, the game decided whether you were good or evil based upon your actions, rather than a pre-defined status, and it impacted on how the game played. I've never had such an emotional attatchment a computer character as I did to The Nameless One. I felt genuine guilt as I discovered some of the terrible things I had done in previous incarnations. I fell in love with Annah (I think it was the tail

), she was such a vulnerable young woman who hid her weaknesses behind a veneer of toughness, I just wanted to give her a big hug, the end of the game left me heartbroken. And Morte, such a funny guy, but oh how I had mistreated him. And Dakkon, such a noble, honourable warrior, and I used that honour for my own evil purposes.......I just wanted to say sorry to them all, to try and put things right.

You might say I was attatched to my character

The dialogue is superb, the plot deep, the characters complex, the setting original.

BG and BG2 are also excellent, but more traditional than PST.

**Dorkus** · 09-06-2005, 06:13

Well, I have to say, just for those of us who focus on character development for combat/tactics/strategy purposes rather than story, PST was a bit of a disappointment. Still not a bad game, but probably not worth the $40 I plunked down for it originally.

There really isn't much fighting or strategy in it at all. It's more of a RPS (role-playing story) rather than RPG. And if you tend to find fantasy writing of this sort a bit dull, then PST probably isn't for you. There's a really masssive amount of dialogue...

On the other hand, BGII and especially TOB with the enhanced difficulty mod were really really fantastic games. I must have fought the dgorg battle a hundred times; there were so many different strategies one coudl take to it (most of them complete failures, hehe). And I still remember the first time I looked at the stats and abilities on one of those planetars... just complete awe!!!!

**screwtype** · 08-25-2005, 13:43

Originally Posted by Sjakihata

Gothic II is a great singleplayer only game. Set in a medieval fantasy world - but still very realistic. It's better than morrowind in my opinion, as the world seems much more alive. And it WILL suck you in - after you learned to control the battle system.

Oh that's a very timely recommendation Sjakitha - I just happened to be offered a budget version of that game for about $10 earlier today, and was tempted but since I never heard of the game, decided against. Maybe I'll reconsider...

**Sjakihata** · 08-26-2005, 03:26

Originally Posted by screwtype

Oh that's a very timely recommendation Sjakitha - I just happened to be offered a budget version of that game for about $10 earlier today, and was tempted but since I never heard of the game, decided against. Maybe I'll reconsider...

For $10 it is certainly worth it.

**Lehesu** · 08-26-2005, 03:51

I want to try maybe BG or Icewind Dale but I have one issue that needs to be cleared up.

I did not like NWN. Didn't like the item system, didn't like the boring hordes of similar monsters, didn't like the skill implementation.

I did like KOTOR. Despite being D20 based, it gelled in all the ways NWN didn't for me.

My question for those who suggested BG (or Icewind Dale): Does BG differ significantly from NWN? What qualities do these games have that NWN does not, and are these qualities significant enough that I will enjoy the game, even if I disliked NWN?

Edit: Just finished perusing Game FAQs. In the user reviews, many gamers who loved Baldur's Gate absolutely hated NWN, some for the same reasons that I did. There is hope!