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    Default What shape shields will roman legionairies have in EB?

    By this will they be having rectangular one or the more oval ones like in RTR 6.0. Or will there be a slow progression to the scutum style ones? I dont know whats historically accurate for the tie period but i like the rectangular ones they look more 'roman' my legions just dont feel the same in RTR. (im not trying to make this a comparison thread btw just using the shields in RTR as the other example).
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    Quote Originally Posted by manbaps
    By this will they be having rectangular one or the more oval ones like in RTR 6.0. Or will there be a slow progression to the scutum style ones? I dont know whats historically accurate for the tie period but i like the rectangular ones they look more 'roman' my legions just dont feel the same in RTR. (im not trying to make this a comparison thread btw just using the shields in RTR as the other example).
    found two screenshots of them in the lost art of keepping a secret thread:

    early legionari

    late:


    hope this awnsers your post.
    do remind these probably are WIP's

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    So what sort of date did the romans start using scutums (is that the right name for rectangular shields) was it after the marian reforms or some time after? Things like the testudo rely on the shape and as equpiment was standardised in roman armies i wouldnt have thought it was gradual.

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    The scutum was the Roman name given to all shields that covered most of the body, and had a slight curve to them. It was a design evolution from the flat, oval Celctic shields and was widespread in Italy in the period Rome was rising to power.

    Historically, the legions from the early Republic to the early Empire were equipped with the oval Scutum, and it shall be so in EB as well. The square scutum falls mostly outside of the time period, and I can't say 100% if it will be included in the mod as of yet.

    Those screenshots are relativley old, and a lot of progress has been made as well. I dare say the legions look really bad ass now

    Just wait and you'll see!

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    AFAIK scutum is just the latin word for "shield", (It's just become associated with that certain type since it's by far the most famous Roman shield) and the earliest forms of the late Roman legionary (Wearing lorica segmentata and carrying a rectangular shield) evolved towards the end of the first century BC, many decades after the Marian reforms.

    Edit: Argh, Seydlitz beat me to the punch.
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    look at herets is a mod byromeheus wh's saring roman units with eb for screens:
    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=50355
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    So im no big historian but does that not mean CA got it like over 100 years wrong introducing rectangular scutums with the marian reforms? Though having said that they look better than the oval type ones but i guess EB wants to be historically acurate and having them in with a finish date of AD16 seems unlikely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manbaps
    So im no big historian but does that not mean CA got it like over 100 years wrong introducing rectangular scutums with the marian reforms? Though having said that they look better than the oval type ones but i guess EB wants to be historically acurate and having them in with a finish date of AD16 seems unlikely.
    CA isn't the bastion of historical accuracy - they merely give the facade of such.
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    Default Re: What shape shields with rome legionairies have in EB?

    Quote Originally Posted by manbaps
    So im no big historian but does that not mean CA got it like over 100 years wrong introducing rectangular scutums with the marian reforms? Though having said that they look better than the oval type ones but i guess EB wants to be historically acurate and having them in with a finish date of AD16 seems unlikely.
    I don't think you have to be a big historian to notice some of the "fantasy history" features of vanilla. hrrr....egypt
    On that same note they also had the armor of legionaries apear before they did actually. Not to mention Onagers...well this list could get long and I'm no expert.

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    ohh yeah.. i'm waiting for someone to say:"CA isnt that bad"..so i can post another of my 'heretic' pics













    burn the heretic! see what i mean?
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    you'll be waiting verry long then or there are verry strange people out there :p
    (rare jongens die protestanten :p, niet da'k katholiek ben)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gertgregoor
    you'll be waiting verry long then or there are verry strange people out there :p
    (rare jongens die protestanten :p, niet da'k katholiek ben)
    well. 3 days ago (or so) somebody posted he liked the demo....you never know.

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    I know I've read it, the poor guy

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    yeah. indeed...it was sad..almost to the abokasee-level...
    well, dont egadurate..nothing comes that close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerby
    yeah. indeed...it was sad..almost to the abokasee-level...
    well, dont egadurate..nothing comes that close.
    well have you ever seen that dutch guy who's alway at the eb forums, jer...hihi yeah your right nothing comes that close...hihi
    (woops! :p. plaag,plaag, sorry maar dit kon ik gewoon niet laten liggen ).


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gertgregoor
    well have you ever seen that dutch guy who's alway at the eb forums, jer...hihi yeah your right nothing comes that close...hihi
    (woops! :p. plaag,plaag, sorry maar dit kon ik gewoon niet laten liggen ).

    yeah..i know..
    i just got EB in my favorites..i come home: check mail, check 2 more forums..and this one..
    but, luckiliy enough. school starts tommorrow ( NO, I'm not 12!! )

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerby
    but, luckiliy enough. school starts tommorrow ( NO, I'm not 12!! )
    No, you're not. But, do you realize that at my age, I could actually have grown TWO jerbies from scratch? You kids make me feel old: I have a PC in a box that is older than you... (PC 8086 12MHz 512 kb RAM, 1x4'25 floppy disk, no HD, CGA 16 colors, B&W screen... 1987).
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    Quote Originally Posted by jerby
    yeah..i know..
    i just got EB in my favorites..i come home: check mail, check 2 more forums..and this one..
    but, luckiliy enough. school starts tommorrow ( NO, I'm not 12!! )
    your not?!
    well EB is in my favourites to, so are you saying I behave like a twelve year old!?

    nah! your a nice phal, you should come and drink a real beer over here.

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    are you saying heineken isnt nice?



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    dutch guy really are funny, I mean he's even shocked that Heiniken is bad or he's verry good actor...I mean Heineken!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gertgregoor
    your not?!
    well EB is in my favourites to, so are you saying I behave like a twelve year old!?

    nah! your a nice phal, you should come and drink a real beer over here.
    That I must agree with you...the beer in Belgium is top quality. I also like the chocolate...




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    One thing: Canadian Beer...'Nuff said.

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    clearly my friends, you have not yet travelled to australia. everyone knows australians are the very gods of beer drinking. until you drink tooheys new, you can not truly call yourself a beer drinker.
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    Stella Artois man here...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Jones
    clearly my friends, you have not yet travelled to australia. everyone knows australians are the very gods of beer drinking. until you drink tooheys new, you can not truly call yourself a beer drinker.
    Here He..*ick*
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    Stella Artois for me too.


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    Guiness!!!

    I like me the stout
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    Thunderbolt(a local made in India 16% proof Beer) Rocks-

    Though I am partial to a well made Radler.(The Radler is a normal Munich Helles or a pilsner-style beer such as Zipfer mixed with 1/2 lemon-lime soda).
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    come on guy's don't be foolish evrybody knows Belgium is the country of beer then you've got Germany or Australia.

    yes Artois is good but I prefer a good old Duvel. (typical belgium beer)
    (all those threads over here are getting quite of topic)

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    This thread is running for the "Most OT thread of the year"...

    I'll contribute...

    I like Leffe a lot, strong and very tasty, belgian beer is not for everyone.

    Stella Artois is great, tasteful, a classic.

    Guiness is also one of my favorites.

    When it's hot I like something lighter like a japonese Sapporo.

    But nowadays I'm especially found of Weiss beer. Erdinger being my current favorite. It's just awesome. If you never tried it, do it. It will change your life I promise.

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