Well then as the smartest man in the world maybe you can enlighten the rest of us poor bastards.yes Gawain can you?![]()
Well then as the smartest man in the world maybe you can enlighten the rest of us poor bastards.yes Gawain can you?![]()
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People who attack Christianity enjoy the anti-establishment aspect of it. There is also a lot of youthful rebellion and "Im smarter than my parents" thinking in the anti-Christian movement. Immaturity is probably the biggest factor that leads people to attack Christians.
It certainly works both ways though; Christians can be just as vehement and rhetorical when it comes to non-believers. It'd be nice if both groups could realise how ridiculous it looks to attack the other view's lack of evidence, when that exact same argument can be applied to either side of the debate.
"The facts of history cannot be purely objective, since they become facts of history only in virtue of the significance attached to them by the historian." E.H. Carr
Religions, with few exceptions, are judging outsiders harshly and doesn't allow external criticism. The undemocratic approach to powerstructure also doesn't allow any practical way of reformation, which would allowing the religion adapt to changes. In many cases religion is used as an excuse to commit crimes, atrocities and violent actions against the outside society.
These facts makes a democratic and secular viewer less tolerant against the religion and it's follower.
Yeah Im too stupid. Was this addressed to you. Someone said that there is no god and that everything is random. He said your only fooling yourself if you believe in God. I countered that its just as big a leap of faith to believe everything camre from nothing as it is to belive in god. He said he could prove what he belived. I say he cant. Can you? I never claimed to ne able to prove what I belive because thats not the meanng of the word. If its proven I KNOW it I dont have to believe it.well I could try but you all probably wouldn't understand me but you avoided the question:
Fighting for Truth , Justice and the American way
Christianity is your personal relationship with God. "God doesn't have grandchildren."
I never liked people trying to set me up on dates, telling me who I should like or dislike or any other form of heavy handed relationship coercion. Hence I am not a great fan of organised religions aspect of trying to force a spiritual relationship on me.
I'm not sure if I am counted in those who attack Christianity, but I am certainly one of those who debates concepts people try and attach to it like Intelligent Design.
dude, I never said anything like that, re-read my initial post.Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
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Nah, your parents did.Originally Posted by AdrianII
Cowardice is to run from the fear;
Bravery is not to never feel the fear.
Bravery is to be terrified as hell;
But to hold the line anyway.
Originally Posted by Al Khalifah
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The bloody trouble is we are only alive when we’re half dead trying to get a paragraph right. - Paul Scott
1)the parts: "well I could try but you all probably wouldn't understand" and "finnaly my intellect gets creditOriginally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
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2)yes, you don't have to believe it if it's prooved but usually somethings that are proven are true.
3)I bet he can't prove it or he's one **** of a genius. yes it was stupid of him to say he could prove it. but you can't prove god either so therefor I think at the moment it's a draw between Science and religion.
4)yes my English is bad, I know.
well then I can say it's just a matter of not enough prove, logical thinking,...The difference is that Christians admit it is just a matter of faith.
now, the question why do atheists like attacking Christians. One of the verry things wich are common for humans; humans have always attacked people wich were in one way or another different from them. is it religion, colour, opinion,... This is also the case with Christians. there are a lot of cases in history but there are a lot of examples now too.
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See, that's why I prefer spirituality. To me, religion is basically the regulated and regimented version of spirituality, its political aspect and it just doesn't work. The concept of religion isn't bad, but most examples I've seen of it is...unappealing.
Self-centered admittedly selfish individualists like me need no gods to justify my existence.![]()
Admittedly, I too wonder what awaits me in the afterlife. Theories abound, mostly in religious traditions, but the most plausible, and, in my megalomaniac opinion, worst possibility is the loss of my very existence. (Crap, that kind of thing is actually THE goal of Buddhism: the Nirvana!!! - Also, a lot of people are probably as uncomfortable as I am that they won't exist once they died that the concept of "heaven" (hell is for other purposes) comes into being) Others turn to religion for answer, either in the form of ancient scriptures (man-made, I'm sure ;p), ancient institutions (organized religion, where millions believe in the same divine thingy), or mysticism as personal spirituality. I've heard rumors that hippies are quite good in the last, though they probably need the help of addictive, dangerous smoking plants for that...
The problem is (and why there are so many religion bashers) that the religious institutions, thanks to the fact that the justification that their "God" is the real one makes them especially self-righteous and delicately sensitive to all sorts of criticism, caused many harms throughout history and continue to influence (I'd rather use "disturb", but in fear of being torched...) politics. Many of us are pissed by their self-righteousness. So the reaction is negative. The faithful are also quite angry at each other and the godless, "God must be pissed off by these unbelievers!" The result is a lot of bickering, and, thanks to the fact that the people who disagree with a particular religion (or religion as a whole) don't quite unite (they don't have a real reason to do so, do they? Until...), things also often got violent, and organized religions managed to get their hands on the faithless and torture, kill, torch, cut, tickle them.
well I could try but you all probably wouldn't understand me but you avoided the question: Can you proof what you believe.Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
you said we couldn't prove we're wrong but so can't you. I just posted this not because I was waiting for an awsering but to show you this is't a good argument.
It's like saying: can you prove that only one line can go trough 2 certain points.
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The difference is that Christians admit it is just a matter of faith.Originally Posted by Gertgregoor
Is what you believe nothing more than a matter of faith?
If so, then how is that different from a religion?
If on the other hand, you think it is different from a religion, then step forward with some proof for your claims.
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"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
-- John Stewart Mills
But from the absolute will of an entire people there is no appeal, no redemption, no refuge but treason.
LORD ACTON
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